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shailesh

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Jan 29, 2008, 6:02:53 AM1/29/08
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IRDA,

www.insurance-surveyors.com have received requests from following 106 surveyors in opposition of CATEGORIZATION. Please take the same on record. Apart from these many more are already sent to you by our colleagues from various forums, to whom this email is marked for adding in the list to create a single record, for circulation to all concerned.   

Shailesh Shah

License no. SLA-47537 Exp. 22/06/2009

 Surveyors

1.   'Sanjay Shaw';

2.   'Sushil Maroo & Co.';

3.   'sanjay gupta';

4.   'MRINAL';

5.   'nitulkotoki';

6.   'akb_dmr';

7.   'siddhantasankar';

8.   'satishsaran';

9.   'suds...@yahoo.com';

10.               'sankar_roy_surveyor';

11.               'skshaw2007';

12.               'Tapan Barua';

13.               'VIPUL I. SHAH SURVEYOR';

14.               'vijay...@yahoo.com';

15.               'vidyart...@gmail.com';

16.               'vikas';

17.               'Vinod Sabharwal';

18.               'vkg...@gmail.com';

19.               'vemula Lakshminarsayya';

20.               'vipul...@yahoo.co.in';

21.               'vi...@wilsur.com';

22.               'Vipul Gosalia';

23.               'vkg...@rediffmail.com';

24.               'yudhveer nayyar';

25.               'psingh...@gmail.com';

26.               'Apex Surveyors';

27.               'Mani Thiyagarajan';

28.               'Sushil  Maroo & Co.';

29.               'Manoj Bhargava';

30.               'Janardhan Mallaya';

31.               'subhash garg';

32.               'mines...@rediffmail.com';

33.               'MNR ASSOCIATES';

34.               'Sushil  Maroo & Co.';

35.               'SUNDARESAN SWAMINATHAN';

36.               'Muninder Prasad';

37.               'mrinal...@sify.com';

38.               'Vinod Agrawal';

39.               'ajitsah...@gmail.com';

40.               'ags...@eth.net';

41.               'UTS Deepak Kapoor'

42.               'P.C SHUKLA';

43.               'sumant sud';

44.               'A.S.Antony Raj';

45.               'chandra dasaraju';

46.               'dalje...@gmail.com';

47.               'iye...@sancharnet.in';

48.               'Shri Amol Indra Kumar Bora';

49.               'Amol borkhade';

50.               'Hemal Patel';

51.               'ZO Paharia I M Mr';

52.               'ivln...@gmail.com';

53.               'krishnama chari -'; 'khubchan...@airtelbroadband.in';

54.               'Kaplesh Bayala';

55.               'dinanath khedkar';

56.               'raghavan kodoth';

57.               'K D Kohli';

58.               'Kishor Saboo';

59.               'kothar...@yahoo.com';

60.               'Z Kavadia C K';

61.               'lalit dudeja';

62.               'Mani Thiyagarajan';

63.               'subhash garg';

64.               'sai prasad';

65.               'NITUL KOTOKI';

66.               'NEELAKANTAN  R';

67.               'prabhat srivastava';

68.               'ZO Desai Mr Gautam Vapi';

69.               'ZO Gahoi Mr Pankaj Indore';

70.               'gajjala reddy';

71.               'ZO Dave G P & Sons Pankaj Bhai';

72.               'Gautam Basu';

73.               'HITESH SKAR';

74.               'Hemant';

75.               'Husain';

76.               'Insurance Samachar';

77.               'ARUN kumar';

78.               'ZO Gupta Mr Anand Vapi';

79.               'ZO Goyal Sunil Mr Sawai Madhopur';

80.               'ZO Gupta Mr A K New Delhi';

81.               'Bijay Kumar';

82.               'bhatt_as...@yahoo.com';

83.               'b sarup';

84.               'bijendr...@relianceada.com';

85.               'ZO Gupta Brijesh Alwar';

86.               'ZO Chawla Er B S N Delhi';

87.               'bhave...@gmail.com';

88.               'ck_b...@yahoo.co.in';

89.               'chiranjilal dhamija';

90.               'satish Acharya';

91.               'ZO Gautama Capt Wilson Surveyors, Mumbai';

92.               'G M Chandak';

93.               'lalit dudeja';

94.               'dilip bhan';

95.               'ck_b...@yahoo.co.in';

96.               'cpm...@mtnl.net.in';

97.               'ypg';

98.               'Shri Alind Kumar';

99.               'orkay elango';

100.         'K R' 'Kishor';

101.         'che...@gmail.com';

102.         'PPandiyan';

103.         'Goutam Basu';

104.         'S. Anoop Kumar';

105.         'ZO Goyal Sunil Mr Sawai Madhopur';

106.         'PS Ramnathan''ravi...@cunninghamlindsey.net'

 

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shailesh

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Jan 29, 2008, 6:39:26 AM1/29/08
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correct as 108 as 2 names are mixed up. i request dasaraju, ASAR,
Sanjay Gupta, Sanjay Shaw, Amarkant Jha, Vinod Agrawal, PC Shukla,
Sainani, SAtish Saranji, Sumant Sud, Alindkumar, RK Sharma, VKGupta,
Daljeet Singh, Dulalchandra Das, Vaibhav Kulkarni, Kavish Malhotra,
Vipul Gosalia, S. Venkatraman, J.Parmar, Ghena, Amiri, Tada, Amol
Bora, R.V. Rao, P.S.R, Asit PAtel, Krishnamachari, Deepak Kapoor,
Sanjay SUrupriya, Ajit Sahu, Sudhirkumar Mehrotra, C.L.Dhamija,
P.Pandian, Charyuncle,Anoopda, Goutam Basuda, Santosh Sarkarda,
Dhruvaauncle, Yogeshbhai,Atulji,Chandresh Savla,Sushil Maroo, AJay
Chopra, Sushantakumar Roy, LAxmanIyer, Lalit Dudejaji, Vishal, Nilesh,
B.D.Mohta, Anthony Raj,PAlaure Sham,Anand Gupta, C.K.Bhatia,Santhanam
Palaniappan,Shyam Achar,Vemula LAkshminarasayya,Anil
Khubchandani,CPmehta,Mani Thiyagrajan,vidyarthiashok,orkay
Elango,vasant Agsar,yogesh upadhyay,Subhash garg,vijayaprasa Rajeshwar
Rao,PRashant Srivastava, Sanjay Kabra,Kalpesh Bayla,Manoj
Bhargava,RAghavan Kodoth,Yudhveer Nayyar,Janardhan Mallaya,VK
GOyal,VARha Swamy,Sai Prasad,Kishor KR, Ravichandra, GM Chandak,Goutam
Desai,S.K.Agrawal,Mr. Bhan(unidentified),Mrinal PAthak,BHavesh Naik,
Bijaykumar,Minesh Shah, Bharat Bhushan, Rajan NV, Ramesh
Jhalan,arunkumar,,,,,and some names whom i might have missed
out,,,,,to please forget the personal differences, EGO and work
unitedly for these 2 PRIME GOALS-

SCRAP CATEGORIZATION and IN-HOUSE SURVEY

rest will automatically fall in place...Please for GOD sake none of us
will screw up a well cooked food. History just can not be allowed to
repeat under any circumstances.

If the result of reivew is not displayed by IRDA within a week we must
not fear from knocking the doors of highest judiciary of our country.
We all have earnt enough in our career, made houses, amassed wealth,
educated our children, did some social welfare activities,,,learnt new
ways of leading life, earnt a good social status, and also screwed up
some worthy claims,,,due to our ignorance or purposeful EGOistic
reflections in our reporting and hadling of claims,,,,all this can
become history,,,and we can sow the seeds of a NEXT GEN SURVEYORS's
TEAM - provided we ACT TODAY.

ANyone has got difficulty in following what is stated above, please
feel to write to me at my email shaile...@gmail.com

Satish Saran

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Jan 29, 2008, 7:04:55 AM1/29/08
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Dear Mr. Shailesh Shah,
With due apologies I would like to say that I never sent any requests to www.insurance-surveyors.com in connection with categorisation. It is not correct for you to include my name without first asking me. I dissociate myself from this message.

The Association of Loss Assessors & Surveyors, Bihar - I am a Member of that association- has already sent our views directly to IRDA as such sending views via another forum is not required.
best wishes
Satish Saran
--
SATISH SARAN
45 MANGALDEEP APARTMENTS
GOSAITOLA, PATLIPUTRA,
PATNA 800013
Mob.:  91-9431011206
Tel. 0612 - 2271569
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cheyuta

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Jan 29, 2008, 8:01:15 AM1/29/08
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I too have not sent any message to Mr. Shailesh shah about categorisation nor have I given consent to use my name.
 
Pl dissociate my name with any message sent by Mr. shailesh Shah

ivlnchary
 
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Valuer, Insurance surveyor,
(fire, Marine, Engg)
"Karmanyevaadhikaaraste maa phaleshu kadaachana"
"your right is to action only, and not to the fruits thereof"

Vinod Agrawal

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Jan 29, 2008, 8:05:09 AM1/29/08
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Dear Shailesh Bhai,

I also dont appreciate this act of yours. I have never written to you
or
Insurance-surveyors.com to communicate to IRDA on my behalf.

While I appreciate that you have been coming out with several ideas
and are preparing and circulating various long articles on surveyors
problems/building institution/republic leaders and what not. You have
even written to Prime Minister/Finance Minister and Newspaper editors
long emails. But unable to understand the reason of sending these
articles un-solicited to the groups and other friends of whom you
have
email IDs? You may just post these articles on your website
insurance-surveyors.com so that whoever wants to take benefit of it
can visit the website and read it.

The mail boxes get cluttered due to such un-solicited mails and it
amounts to spamming.

Let us all make the groups and emailing as a media of effective
communication rather then making it noisy in which the real issues
get subsided and attention is disttracted.

Hope you take the things in positive spirit and resist your urge of
high frequency mailing.

Regards,

Vinod Agrawal,
Indore.
098270 28337.

On Jan 29, 5:04 pm, "Satish Saran" <satishsa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Mr. Shailesh Shah,
> With due apologies I would like to say that I never sent any requests towww.insurance-surveyors.comin connection with categorisation. It is not
> correct for you to include my name without first asking me. I dissociate
> myself from this message.
>
> The Association of Loss Assessors & Surveyors, Bihar - I am a Member of that
> association- has already sent our views directly to IRDA as such sending
> views via another forum is not required.
> best wishes
> Satish Saran
>
> On 29/01/2008, shailesh <shaileshbs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >   To,
>
> > IRDA,
>
> >www.insurance-surveyors.comhave received requests from following 106
> > surveyors in opposition of CATEGORIZATION. Please take the same on record.
> > Apart from these many more are already sent to you by our colleagues from
> > various forums, to whom this email is marked for adding in the list to
> > create a single record, for circulation to all concerned.
>
> > Shailesh Shah
>
> > License no. SLA-47537 Exp. 22/06/2009
>
> >  *Surveyors *
>
> > 1.   'Sanjay Shaw';
>
> > 2.   'Sushil Maroo & Co.';
>
> > 3.   'sanjay gupta';
>
> > 4.   'MRINAL';
>
> > 5.   'nitulkotoki';
>
> > 6.   'akb_dmr';
>
> > 7.   'siddhantasankar';
>
> > 8.   'satishsaran';
>
> > 9.   'sudsum...@yahoo.com';
>
> > 10.               'sankar_roy_surveyor';
>
> > 11.               'skshaw2007';
>
> > 12.               'Tapan Barua';
>
> > 13.               'VIPUL I. SHAH SURVEYOR';
>
> > 14.               'vijaypa...@yahoo.com';
>
> > 15.               'vidyarthi.as...@gmail.com';
>
> > 16.               'vikas';
>
> > 17.               'Vinod Sabharwal';
>
> > 18.               'vkg...@gmail.com';
>
> > 19.               'vemula Lakshminarsayya';
>
> > 20.               'vipulsab...@yahoo.co.in';
>
> > 21.               'vi...@wilsur.com';
>
> > 22.               'Vipul Gosalia';
>
> > 23.               'vkg1...@rediffmail.com';
>
> > 24.               'yudhveer nayyar';
>
> > 25.               'psinghalno...@gmail.com';
>
> > 26.               'Apex Surveyors';
>
> > 27.               'Mani Thiyagarajan';
>
> > 28.               'Sushil  Maroo & Co.';
>
> > 29.               'Manoj Bhargava';
>
> > 30.               'Janardhan Mallaya';
>
> > 31.               'subhash garg';
>
> > 32.               'mineshvs...@rediffmail.com';
>
> > 33.               'MNR ASSOCIATES';
>
> > 34.               'Sushil  Maroo & Co.';
>
> > 35.               'SUNDARESAN SWAMINATHAN';
>
> > 36.               'Muninder Prasad';
>
> > 37.               'mrinalpath...@sify.com';
>
> > 38.               'Vinod Agrawal';
>
> > 39.               'ajitsahu.ran...@gmail.com';
>
> > 40.               'ags...@eth.net';
>
> > 41.               'UTS Deepak Kapoor'
>
> > 42.               'P.C SHUKLA';
>
> > 43.               'sumant sud';
>
> > 44.               'A.S.Antony Raj';
>
> > 45.               'chandra dasaraju';
>
> > 46.               'daljeet1...@gmail.com';
>
> > 47.               'iye...@sancharnet.in';
>
> > 48.               'Shri Amol Indra Kumar Bora';
>
> > 49.               'Amol borkhade';
>
> > 50.               'Hemal Patel';
>
> > 51.               'ZO Paharia I M Mr';
>
> > 52.               'ivlnch...@gmail.com';
>
> > 53.               'krishnama chari -'; '
> > khubchandania...@airtelbroadband.in';
>
> > 54.               'Kaplesh Bayala';
>
> > 55.               'dinanath khedkar';
>
> > 56.               'raghavan kodoth';
>
> > 57.               'K D Kohli';
>
> > 58.               'Kishor Saboo';
>
> > 59.               'kothari_an...@yahoo.com';
>
> > 60.               'Z Kavadia C K';
>
> > 61.               'lalit dudeja';
>
> > 62.               'Mani Thiyagarajan';
>
> > 63.               'subhash garg';
>
> > 64.               'sai prasad';
>
> > 65.               'NITUL KOTOKI';
>
> > 66.               'NEELAKANTAN  R';
>
> > 67.               'prabhat srivastava';
>
> > 68.               'ZO Desai Mr Gautam Vapi';
>
> > 69.               'ZO Gahoi Mr Pankaj Indore';
>
> > 70.               'gajjala reddy';
>
> > 71.               'ZO Dave G P & Sons Pankaj Bhai';
>
> > 72.               'Gautam Basu';
>
> > 73.               'HITESH SKAR';
>
> > 74.               'Hemant';
>
> > 75.               'Husain';
>
> > 76.               'Insurance Samachar';
>
> > 77.               'ARUN kumar';
>
> > 78.               'ZO Gupta Mr Anand Vapi';
>
> > 79.               'ZO Goyal Sunil Mr Sawai Madhopur';
>
> > 80.               'ZO Gupta Mr A K New Delhi';
>
> > 81.               'Bijay Kumar';
>
> > 82.               'bhatt_associa...@yahoo.com';
>
> > 83.               'b sarup';
>
> > 84.               'bijendra.pat...@relianceada.com';
>
> > 85.               'ZO Gupta Brijesh Alwar';
>
> > 86.               'ZO Chawla Er B S N Delhi';
>
> > 87.               'bhaveshn...@gmail.com';
>
> > 88.               'ck_bha...@yahoo.co.in';
>
> > 89.               'chiranjilal dhamija';
>
> > 90.               'satish Acharya';
>
> > 91.               'ZO Gautama Capt Wilson Surveyors, Mumbai';
>
> > 92.               'G M Chandak';
>
> > 93.               'lalit dudeja';
>
> > 94.               'dilip bhan';
>
> > 95.               'ck_bha...@yahoo.co.in';
>
> > 96.               'cpme...@mtnl.net.in';
>
> > 97.               'ypg';
>
> > 98.               'Shri Alind Kumar';
>
> > 99.               'orkay elango';
>
> > 100.         'K R' 'Kishor';
>
> > 101.         'chey...@gmail.com';
>
> > 102.         'PPandiyan';
>
> > 103.         'Goutam Basu';
>
> > 104.         'S. Anoop Kumar';
>
> > 105.         'ZO Goyal Sunil Mr Sawai Madhopur';
>
> > 106.         'PS Ramnathan''ravigu...@cunninghamlindsey.net'
>
> --
> SATISH SARAN
> 45 MANGALDEEP APARTMENTS
> GOSAITOLA, PATLIPUTRA,
> PATNA 800013
> Mob.:  91-9431011206
> Tel. 0612 - 2271569
>
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Sanjay Shaw

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Jan 29, 2008, 9:49:47 AM1/29/08
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Dear Respected Brothers,

I failed to understand that why our respected colleague have raised objection to a very sincere effort were taken by Mr. Shailesh.

Infact, We should have appreciated him for his whole hearted effort along with the moderator Mr. Sainani for bringing 106 nos. members to vote against categorization and in-house-survey system which is very serious at this very moment.

Please do not de-moralize our freelancer who is working from longtime for the benefit of surveyor's community.

With regards

Sanjay Shaw

98310 85519 

amar kant jha

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Jan 29, 2008, 9:57:27 AM1/29/08
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Dear Shailesh Bhai,
I have given my consent on every forum, against categorisation, But my name is missing.I do not have ego and I do not feel any thing wrong particularly on the Subject matter, on which I am agreed and some one has quoted my name without my consent.
Opposing and reaction, confirms some thing fishy.
So, people/surveyors who all are reading these forum message should come forward and express  his reaction with reason, Simply disagreeing means, they have got some hidden agenda in their mind.
Once One has taken the shelter of court and expressed his intention or view against the Categorisation, What is wrong, If some one has placed his/their name in the his list.
It will be better for the health of Surveyor community, If they explain their reason for unhappiness.
ALL HAVE EXPRESSED THEIR VIEW IN THE PAST WITH HIGH PITCH VOICE AGAINST  CATEGORISATION, During ELECTION PERIOD OF IIISLA.
Suddenly taking U turn, 
Shailesh Bhai are you going to contest in near future or IRDA has assured you any specific seat at IRDA (The opposition of your list by the people seems So.)  It seems your GANDHIAN approach  has disturbed  all, So they want to close it on 30th JAN.
Amar Kant Jha
0933-47-84485
PATNA
29.01.2008

Vinod Agrawal <avi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 29, 5:04 pm, "Satish Saran" wrote:
> Dear Mr. Shailesh Shah,
> With due apologies I would like to say that I never sent any requests towww.insurance-surveyors.comin connection with categorisation. It is not
> correct for you to include my name without first asking me. I dissociate
> myself from this message.
>
> The Association of Loss Assessors & Surveyors, Bihar - I am a Member of that
> association- has already sent our views directly to IRDA as such sending
> views via another forum is not required.
> best wishes
> Satish Saran
>

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Sanjay Shaw

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Jan 29, 2008, 10:02:43 AM1/29/08
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Dear Shaileshji,
Please do not be dishearted.
I find you from two days your posting against corporatisation which heart me too much with your some points. But I know you are right man expose any thing without any fear and can also understand the best solution.
We like you as a good freelance for the surveyor community.
with regards
Sanjay Shaw
a corporate surveyor

 

amar kant jha

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Jan 29, 2008, 10:17:02 AM1/29/08
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shailesh <shaile...@gmail.com> wrote:
107. All voters, who have voted at IIISLA Election.
108. AMAR KANT JHA
 

S. Anoop Kumar

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Jan 29, 2008, 11:34:26 AM1/29/08
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Dear Sanjay,
Are we to understand that Mr. Sainani is a party to the objectionable
action of Mr. Shailesh Shah?
Sainani sir, your comments please.

S. Anoop Kumar.

S. Anoop Kumar

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Jan 29, 2008, 11:38:38 AM1/29/08
to Insurance Adjusters
The entire exercise by Mr. Shailesh Shah is simply farse, misguiding,
sans credibility and is self defeating. I equally find it
surprising,
if not irritating, that Mr. Sanjay Shaw pops into the discussion
supporting the objectionable actions of Mr. Shailesh Shah, even while
several members are expressing their displeasure categorically at the
use of their names without their approval or consent.

IRDA has invited opinions from all the intested parties on the issues
pertaining to upgradation of categorisation and every one has the
right to expression, but his own, or with the approved consent of
others. Using the names of others without their approval or consent,
or duplicating the names to inflate the figures, cannot be and should
not be tolerated.


S. Anoop Kumar.

ANIL KHUBCHANDANI

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Jan 29, 2008, 10:07:57 PM1/29/08
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Dear Mr. Sailesh

It is high time you started behaving yourself. I have had nothing to do with
your website. I have never posted any message to your website. I dont know
what prompts you to take such liberties in incorporating our names without
our consent. It is high time the MODERATORS took some strong exception at
this bahavior which has already resulted in irrepairable damages to the
forums. I strongly demand an apology and assurance that no such foolish act
shall be committed by you in future.

ANIL KHUBCHANDANI
Bhopal (09826075885)

ANIL KHUBCHANDANI

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Dear Mr. Sanjay Shaw & Amarkant Jha
 
You are requested to stop applauding a gross and grave mistake on the part of Sailesh Bhai. If left unchecked, this habit may be misused and land us in some serious trouble in future. Personally  I strtongly denounce this act and do not much care about your comments at least in this matter.
 
Anil Khubchandnai
Bhopal (09826075885) 

Sanjay Shaw

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Dear Mr Ramanathan,
Why you are asking from me to express apology
I am one of the forum member like you.
I am every right to provide opnion on forum board
Please check my 1st mail that I had posted stated about the mistake of posting in the banner of website www.insurance-surveyors.com
and it is my personal view that I have no objection with Mr Shailesh if he will do something for the betterment of community by using my name.
So, Please withdraw your demand about the grant of my apology. Or please send me your demand in black & white  by jurisdiction is Kolkata.
with best regards for UNITY AND INTEGRITY       ( i WILL WITH YOU TILL MY DEATH)
with regards
Sanjay shaw
98310 85519
23, Strand Road, 2nd floor, Kolkata - 700 001
On 1/30/08, PS Ramnathan <anan...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
No harsh decisions please.
I am sure it was at the worst, an unwarranted / unacceptable enthusiasm.
In a scenario, where the IIISLA secretary does not even inform us about the exchanges by / between IIISLA and IRDA  and we have only unconfirmed reports that they have submitted 'OUR' collective opinion to IRDA, let us not hang anyone.
Having said that, let Mr.Shailesh Shah / Mr.Sanjay be requested to express their apologies for their unintended act of rashness (most of us deal with 279 daily).
Finally, by a copy of this mail, IIISLA is informed / requested to formally notify the minutes of their meetings and the communications sent to IRDA. This will cost them 6 rs including postage for sending every member totalling to Rs.25,000 per month. A single EC meeting is reportedly costing Rs.2,00,000 or more and if they do not accede to a request for transparency anymore, we may be forced to escalate this matter in an adjudicating forum of competent jurisdiction.
What are we complaining about IRDA, Insurance companies, when even OUR OWN IIISLA is behaving arrogantly.
The question now begging to be answered is "Is IIISLA OUR OWN. or some one's personal turf."
In the interests of common courtesy, many of us have kept quite but this has been read as our weakness
brgds
psr


On Jan 30, 2008 7:48 AM, raghavan kodoth <kodo...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
DEAR ALL
                  UNSCRUPULOUS AND UNETHICAL ACT, I MUST SAY, MOST UNBECOMING OF A PROFESSION WHICH NEEDS TO HAVE HIGH MORAL STANDARDS.
 
I SUGGEST EVERYBODY BOYCOTT THE AUTHOR AND DELETE FUTURE MESSAGES AT THE ROOT, WHICH IS THE ONLY REMEDY.
 
K.P.RAGHAVAN


sai prasad <nsp_p...@hotmail.com> wrote:
This is in poor taste to use other's names without their consent. Show me the mail where I have expressed any views in favour of or against categorisation. I have not sent any opinion.

N.Sai Prasad


 


I too have not sent any message to Mr. Shailesh shah about categorisation nor have I given consent to use my name.
 
Pl dissociate my name with any message sent by Mr. shailesh Shah

ivlnchary
 
##########333333333
 
On 1/29/08, Satish Saran <satis...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Shailesh Shah,
With due apologies I would like to say that I never sent any requests to www.insurance-surveyors.com in connection with categorisation. It is not correct for you to include my name without first asking me. I dissociate myself from this message.


The Association of Loss Assessors & Surveyors, Bihar - I am a Member of that association- has already sent our views directly to IRDA as such sending views via another forum is not required.
best wishes
Satish Saran
On 29/01/2008, shailesh <shaile...@gmail.com> wrote:
To,
IRDA,
www.insurance-surveyors.com have received requests from following 106 surveyors in opposition of CATEGORIZATION. Please take the same on record. Apart from these many more are already sent to you by our colleagues from various forums, to whom this email is marked for adding in the list to create a single record, for circulation to all concerned.   

Shailesh Shah
License no. SLA-47537 Exp. 22/06/2009
 Surveyors
1.   'Sanjay Shaw';
2.   'Sushil Maroo & Co.';
3.   'sanjay gupta';
4.   'MRINAL';
5.   'nitulkotoki';
6.   'akb_dmr';
7.   'siddhantasankar';
8.   'satishsaran';
10.               'sankar_roy_surveyor';
11.               'skshaw2007';
12.               'Tapan Barua';
13.               'VIPUL I. SHAH SURVEYOR';
14.               'vijay...@yahoo.com';
15.               'vidyart...@gmail.com';
16.               'vikas';
17.               'Vinod Sabharwal';
18.               'vkg...@gmail.com';
19.               'vemula Lakshminarsayya';
20.               'vipul...@yahoo.co.in';
21.               'vi...@wilsur.com';
22.               'Vipul Gosalia';
23.               'vkg...@rediffmail.com';
24.               'yudhveer nayyar';
25.               'psingh...@gmail.com';
26.               'Apex Surveyors';
27.               'Mani Thiyagarajan';
28.               'Sushil  Maroo & Co.';
29.               'Manoj Bhargava';
30.               'Janardhan Mallaya';
31.               'subhash garg';
32.               'mines...@rediffmail.com';
33.               'MNR ASSOCIATES';
34.               'Sushil  Maroo & Co.';
35.               'SUNDARESAN SWAMINATHAN';
36.               'Muninder Prasad';
37.               'mrinal...@sify.com';
38.               'Vinod Agrawal';
39.               'ajitsah...@gmail.com';
40.               'ags...@eth.net';
41.               'UTS Deepak Kapoor'
42.               'P.C SHUKLA';
43.               'sumant sud';
44.               'A.S.Antony Raj';
45.               'chandra dasaraju';
46.               'dalje...@gmail.com';
47.               'iye...@sancharnet.in';
48.               'Shri Amol Indra Kumar Bora';
49.               'Amol borkhade';
50.               'Hemal Patel';
51.               'ZO Paharia I M Mr';
52.               'ivln...@gmail.com';
53.               'krishnama chari -'; 'khubchan...@airtelbroadband.in';
54.               'Kaplesh Bayala';
55.               'dinanath khedkar';
56.               'raghavan kodoth';
57.               'K D Kohli';
58.               'Kishor Saboo';
59.               'kothar...@yahoo.com';
60.               'Z Kavadia C K';
61.               'lalit dudeja';
62.               'Mani Thiyagarajan';
63.               'subhash garg';
64.               'sai prasad';
65.               'NITUL KOTOKI';
66.               'NEELAKANTAN  R';
67.               'prabhat srivastava';
68.               'ZO Desai Mr Gautam Vapi';
69.               'ZO Gahoi Mr Pankaj Indore';
70.               'gajjala reddy';
71.               'ZO Dave G P & Sons Pankaj Bhai';
72.               'Gautam Basu';
73.               'HITESH SKAR';
74.               'Hemant';
75.               'Husain';
76.               'Insurance Samachar';
77.               'ARUN kumar';
78.               'ZO Gupta Mr Anand Vapi';
79.               'ZO Goyal Sunil Mr Sawai Madhopur';
80.               'ZO Gupta Mr A K New Delhi';
81.               'Bijay Kumar';
82.               'bhatt_as...@yahoo.com';
83.               'b sarup';
84.               'bijendr...@relianceada.com';
85.               'ZO Gupta Brijesh Alwar';
86.               'ZO Chawla Er B S N Delhi';
87.               'bhave...@gmail.com';
88.               'ck_b...@yahoo.co.in';
89.               'chiranjilal dhamija';
90.               'satish Acharya';
91.               'ZO Gautama Capt Wilson Surveyors, Mumbai';
92.               'G M Chandak';
93.               'lalit dudeja';
94.               'dilip bhan';
95.               'ck_b...@yahoo.co.in';
96.               'cpm...@mtnl.net.in';
97.               'ypg';
98.               'Shri Alind Kumar';
99.               'orkay elango';
100.         'K R' 'Kishor';
101.         'che...@gmail.com';
102.         'PPandiyan';
103.         'Goutam Basu';
104.         'S. Anoop Kumar';
105.         'ZO Goyal Sunil Mr Sawai Madhopur';
106.         'PS Ramnathan''ravi...@cunninghamlindsey.net'
 
 



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Sanjay Shaw

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Dear Mr Anoop,
I can show you mail link where Mr Sainani have given concent/feedback on different mail.
  1. http://groups.google.co.in/group/Insurance-Adjusters/browse_thread/thread/678aa262da88ec49/40287e7845e57aa2?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=Shailesh+++Sainani#40287e7845e57aa2
  2. a
  3. c
  4. other lot of links
I Know my posting is effecting to :-
  1. few or all surveyor :- consequently loosing my better relation with my brother but I do not mind if our community future will take new turn.
  2. IRDA :- They can do any things with me can accuse me as most corrupted man of India and I will turn into mad but I do not mind let our community shine in future.even my licence will be blocked
  3. GI Council :- They can slap me out from all insurance company but I do not care because I am not dependent upon the better and butter of Insurance claim manger last two years but under the rescue of my father. If I will get Lottery I will invest all for the betterment of community
  4. In-House-Surveyor :- Can disturbed me every angle but I am ready and alert and not going to leave the platform of honesty / dignity / integrity of surveyor.
So, Mr Anoop Do not mind A person who have already finished what is it remain to harm further.
With best regard as your brother for UNITY & INTEGRITY
Sanjay  Shaw
98310 85519

 

Sanjay Shaw

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Right Sir,
In parallel we do not like to loose our free lancer.   Mr. Shailesh have also comented about throwing of corporate licence which were hearted me too. But Still I am with him because he is looking bold to talk.  I agree about his act that ought not to be but we should loose him
Although, I do not have any authority  from Mr Shailesh to ask apology from all dishearted members but I have no objection if he will use my name for the betterment of community.
It is my request to my all effected members to think about the situation of our UNITY/Integrity. and Requesting Mr Shailesh not to use any surveyor's name with his website banner without concent in future.
with best regards
Sanjay Shaw
98310 85519

 

shailesh

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Jan 30, 2008, 12:39:48 AM1/30/08
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I can only say GOD give us courage to
- face the reality as it is ( and not as it appears to be)
- adopt a vision which is ALL INCLUSIVE and not partitioned by
imaginary walls created by human in inhuman manner
- differentiate between what is "trivial" and what is "important"
- accept the blame as it is due to me
- expect the norms of our Conduct as they "should be" and not "what a
few want it to be not knowing where they lead us to in last 7 years
and allowed to continue the spree once again"
- be steadfast in our movement against CATEGORIZATION and not make it
as an issue for one's credit or debit to settle past scores
- be generous in respecting the values than age, when it counts on
retaining the principles and founding values of our profession
- be ready to tune ourselves with the need of hour - take all
requisite measures to enhance our productivity, quality of reporting,
method of effective communication( key to success in today's highly
competitive scenario-it is man eats man position when there are 10 ccs
of our email communications going to peole from insurance companies,
brokers, agents, claimants and what not!!!)

And the first and foremost important fact, ready to adapt and change
ourselves to stay tuned with the Changes which are taking at
supersonidc speed, faster than ever in our profession.

I am sorry, if my expressions or the mode of expression have hurt a
few. After all we all are GOD's chosen few, to safeguard the valid
interests of PUBLIC MONEY, aren't we?

www.insurance-surveyors.com is committed to bring all surveyors who
wish to practice in India under single roof, i.e. IIISLA roof ( name
may change if required)

With LOVE to all.
Shaielsh

ANIL KHUBCHANDANI

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Dear all
 
Kindly refer to the message below from Mr. Shaw. Kindly note the line in red. Mr. Shaw appears to confirm that he is not a practicing surveyor.
 
Anil Khubchandani
Bhopal (09826075885)
 
 
----- Original Message -----

ANIL KHUBCHANDANI

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For GODs sake MR. Shaw, Please stop this "I scratch your back, you scratch mine syndrome"
 
Anil Khubchandani

shailesh

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________________________________________
From: Anant Kothari [mailto:kothar...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 11:53 AM
To: shaile...@gmail.com
Subject: categarization

Message received WE DO NOT WANT CATEGORIZATION AT ANY COST
"We do not want categorization at any cost"


From surveyors of Rajkot:-

1. M. M. Shukla,
2. S. M. Pandya,
3. Jalpesh Trivedi,
4. Bhavesh Trivedi,
5. Vipul Padhiar,
6. Hasmukh Khimsuria,
7. Dhmant Shah,
8. Kalpesh Kotahri,
9. Anant Kothari,
10. G. C. Gandhi,
11. S. A. Ganatra,
12. Binesh Patani,
13. Paresh Kothari,
14. Rajiv Bhatt,
15. Hitarth Desai,
16. Jalpesh Bhimjiani,






Sanjay Shaw

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Dear Anil,
I really apriciate you on consumming  your comments.
and would like to remind you what thinks a man do not eat? i.e. we are eating more for ego/ mercy/ pity/envey/ cupon/ living style/ social status / mental complex / prestige  and we are less eating  i.e. Rice/wheat/foods e t c
Per day eating commodity of my activity.
FOR ONLY KOLKATA BRANCH CUM HO
  1. Morning break fast  (Rooti Sabji   Rs 5/- )
  2. Risk shaw Fare  ( Rs 15 )
  3. Tran Fair  ( Rs 5/-)
  4. car Parking Monthly per day expenses  ( Rs 100/-)
  5. Fuel per Day  ( Rs 250/- )
  6. Lunch  Rs 30/- at foot path of Kolkta street
  7. Laptop depriciation perday ( Total Five Laptop ) Rs 200/-
  8. Mobie depriciation ( total 8 Nos )  Rs 50/- Per day
  9. Desk top with Printers cost Rs 80000/-  depriciation per day Rs 100/-
  10. Consumeable stationaries  Monthly Rs 6000/-    perday 200/-
  11. Office maintaince sTaffing misc per day        Rs 600/-
  12. Telephones / Mobiles Monthly        Rs 12000/-
  13. Car / remaining asset depriciation per day Rs 100/-
  14. Two director expenses per day total payment     Rs 400/- (-VE)  (BORNED BY DIRECTOR EVERY FROM THE MONEY OF HOME TO SURVEY )
  15. TECHNICAL UPGRADAION AND EQUIPMENTS WITH WEBSITE INTERNET E T C   Rs 400/- per day
  16. night food Rs 5/- per day
Under this circumances Please explain how we will keep our family as a surveyor reScue of earnings.
 
eVERY THINGS HAVE EXPLAINED TO YOU 

Sanjay Shaw

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Dear Sir,
You are one of our senior surveyor.
I beg apology for undernoted mail
with best regards
Sanjay Shaw
98310 85519

 

shailesh

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Jan 30, 2008, 9:23:57 AM1/30/08
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Here are 29 more confirmations from Pune opposing CATEGORIZATION. Any
doubts??? In the morning i shared 16 from Rajkot.
-----Original Message-----
From: mawale dilip [mailto:dilipp...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 7:47 PM
To: shailesh
Subject: Re: please send me

1)DILIP MAWALE PUNE
2)RAJESH WARGANTIWAR PUNE
3)RUPESH NEWASE PUNE
4)ABHIJEET SAWASHE PUNE
5)SAMRAT JADHAV PUNE
6)RISHIKESH GRAMOPADHAY PUNE
7)SANDEEP NAVALE PUNE
8)RAJAS DASHRATH PUNE
9)NAGESH DUDHANI PUNE
10)RAMRAO PHADNIS PUNE
11)SIDHANATH INGALE PUNE
12)SANJAY KALANTRI PUNE
13)ASHOK KULKARNI PUNE
14)NILESH SHROFF PUNE
15) KIRAN KALE PuNE
16)PRASANNA KURALE PUNE
17)D D LOLAGE PUNE
18)NANDKISHOR MOHITE PUNE
19)AJIT NAVALE PUNE
20)PRASHANT PATIL PUNE
21)VISHAL SHAH PUNE
22)PRANESH KULKARNI PUNE
23)KIRAN PHATANGARE PUNE
24)RAVI ASSOCIATES PUNE
25)DATTATRAY SANADI PUNE
26)MAHESH SALGAR
27)UTTAPAL SHARMA
28)PARESH URANKAR
29)RUPESH WAGHMARE
THESE ALL SURVEYORS OPPOSES THE CATAGORIZATION KINDLY
BE FLAG AGENDA WE SUPORT U.

DILIP MAWALE
SURVEYORS

On Jan 30, 11:39 am, shailesh <shaileshbs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ________________________________________
> From: Anant Kothari [mailto:kothari_an...@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 11:53 AM
> To: shaileshbs...@gmail.com

S. Anoop Kumar

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Jan 30, 2008, 9:47:20 AM1/30/08
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Dear Shailesh,

How many of these names from Rajkot and Pune appear in your original
list of 106 surveyors? How many of these 106 surveyors have given you
their consent or approval so that you could send it to IRDA with their
names...? Most of us have sent our opinions to IRDA directly. They
may or may not be necessarily in line with yours.

If you will go thro your original list, you will find several names
repeated more than once. Is it not deliberate? No one is
questionning your stand against categorisation. You are entitled to
your opinion and can make your own demand list. But how can you use
the name of some others who have not given you their consent? How did
my name figure in your list? Why force your opinion on others when
they have their own individual opinions? You have seen the reaction
of others. Would you still like to justify your actions as correct?

Regards -
S. Anoop Kumar

shailesh

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Jan 30, 2008, 9:56:46 AM1/30/08
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My dear learned and Senior friend, focus on our needs right now, there
is time for everything and when we celebrate our freedom from this
cluches of CATEGORIZATION i will surely talk to you each and every
detail that you want. Time is running out, and help us add some more
names to the list. What did contestants do in elections of IIISLA and
wasn't all of you supporting the withdrawal of CATEGORIZATION always,
why this U turn now???

AJIT SAHU

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MAY I APPEAL TO ALL TO CLOSE THIS CHAPTER.
 
ajit

 

M S Sainani, Insurance Surveyor & Loss Adjuster

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Jan 30, 2008, 1:09:14 PM1/30/08
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It is 11:30 PM on 30th Jan 08 & I hv seen the large trail of
mails(after two days for all practical purposes), jus cant make out
much, but one thing is for sure that none of the members mails are
moderated untill now & I, in any case was party to the list of 108
Surveyors or had consented on this issue.

A lot is expressed by many members (out of sheer agony of misuse of
their name), I normally try to intervene less (or least as Moderator)
so that flow of information remains smooth / unobstructed assuming
that all the members would behave responsibly on the Group (mails
recognising that this Medium is different from passing casual remarks
verbally). It appears that some (a few only) are not recognsing this
fact forcing to moderate their Mails henceforth.

M S Sainani

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M S Sainani, Insurance Surveyor & Loss Adjuster

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Jan 30, 2008, 1:12:05 PM1/30/08
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Please read

"... & I, in any case was NOT A party to the list of 108
Surveyors NOR had consented on this issue."

M S Sainani

On Jan 30, 2008 11:39 PM, M S Sainani, Insurance Surveyor & Loss

adjuster

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Dear Sanjay

 

Reference: I can show you mail link where Mr Sainani have given concent / feedback on different mail

 

This refers to your mail below & the link, contents of which are appearing above & below, I observe that your response to Mr Anoop’s mail is just irrelevant & out of context. May I request you to please refrain from sending such mails??

 

I wish to reiterate that NO WAY I WAS A PARTY TO LIST OF 108 SURVEYOR’S as indicated by Shailesh, I wasn’t connected even remotely with over enthusiasm of Shailesh, nor I endorse the same.

 

Mail to Shailesh on 18th July ’07 is reproduced below, can you tell me what is the link (I am not talking of a web link) between this mail & query of Mr Anoop Kumar ??.

 

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On 7/17/06, happyshailesh <shaileshbs...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

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Dear friends, I find that more or less true independent status of surveyors is lost in india. Can those surveyors who are already a part of networking firms, share their views and experiences on the fied and off the field.

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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:39:20 -0700

Local: Mon, Jul 17 2006 9:09 pm

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Dear friends,

I find that more or less true independent status of surveyors is lost
in india. Can those surveyors who are already a part of networking
firms, share their views and experiences on the fied and off the field.


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M Sainani        View profile  Dear Shailesh There are pros & cons of everything which is happening around us all the time, we have to keep in mind that life is Dynamic & not a static concept. Joining hands is synergy & working stand alone has got its merits too. To me synergy is always better, the reason is we may be individual centers of excelence but the knowledge & expertise gathered gets burried with our end of life & thus never gets institutionalised. This is one reason because of which Europeans & Americans, several developed countries are different from us, our elders (*Sone ki Chiriya wale*) left this world without sharing enoromous wealth of knowledge without sharing with others or institutionalising the wealth of knowledge. Many may not agree with my viewpoint & many may, I healthy discussion on issue is welcome. Regas On 7/17/06, happyshailesh <shaileshbs...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear friends, > I find that more or less true independent status of surveyors is lost > in india. Can those surveyors who are already a part of networking > firms, share their views and experiences on the fied and off the field. - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -

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From: "M Sainani" <adjustersain...@gmail.com>

Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:03:19 +0530

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Subject: Re: Need for networking in today's fast changing scenario

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Dear Shailesh

There are pros & cons of everything which is happening around us all the time; we have to keep in mind that life is Dynamic & not a static concept.

Joining hands is synergy & working stand alone has got its merits too. To me synergy is always better, the reason is we may be individual centers of excellence but the knowledge & expertise gathered gets buried with our end of life & thus never gets institutionalized.

This is one reason because of which Europeans & Americans, several developed countries are different from us, our elders (*Sone ki Chiriya wale*) left this world without sharing enormous wealth of knowledge without sharing with others or institutionalizing the wealth of knowledge.

Many may not agree with my viewpoint & many may, I healthy discussion on issue is welcome.

Regds

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S. Anoop Kumar

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Jan 31, 2008, 8:05:45 AM1/31/08
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Dear Sainani sir,
Thanks for the clarification. But we all knew that your name was
unnecesarily dragged into the controversy.
With best regards -
S. Anoop Kumar
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