Download Plop Boot Manager Iso
Tawanda Eschbaugh
Trying to setup Windows 2000 to install from USB, I dusted off an old computer, and found that it does not boot from USB. It seems to set the USB HD as an USB Floppy, so I get the missing mbr-helper message from Grub4Dos. I tried my PLOP CD, and it sucessfully boots into the grub menu.
More or less means, check if the boot was from hard disk, if yes then map (hd1) to current root device (i.e. (hd0)), if the latter fails map (hd2) to current root device (i.e. (hd0)), no matter what happened before map current root device (i.e. (hd0)) to (hd1).
Tested on another computer that does not boot from USB at all, used PLOP CD, no go, errors at loading keyboard dll in textmode setup right before it should show the drive setup screen. Got tired of fighting with Winsetupfromusb, it does too many things that I dont quite understand. Right now I am trying a totally different aproach, no builders, will do everything by hand myself. So far its looking good.
EDIT: There is no option rom to replace. In fact the maximum BIOS size is 128kB? The plop blob is about 40kB, there's no way to cram it in...
Perhaps the only chance is to use a nic instead (see savely's comment on the rom.by page). This is not a problem for the rom.by guys, they have plenty of those logos that can be removed to make space.
Also I don't know how the compression would work with an external BootROM - some additional custom code needed?
The plop website only talks about using the main BIOS, it seems. Compression isn't necessary with the 64kB version though.
Boot from USB without BIOS Support; In the following tutorial, I cover how to create a PLoP Boot Manager CD that can be used to force boot from USB without BIOS access. This is also useful to boot a USB on computers with a system BIOS that does not natively support booting from removable USB devices.
The PLoP Boot Manager created by Elmar Hanlhofer, works by first loading essential USB drivers, CD/DVD drivers, and hard disk drivers. The user is then presented with a (Boot Menu) menu of possible boot devices detected by PLoP. The user can then proceed to select a device to try and boot from.
As an alternative, you could just use a Virtual Machine like VirtualBox to boot from a USB drive. Then you wouldn't even need to reboot. For more information, see the tutorial on How to Run VirtualBox from USB.
Hello!
There is a laptop Fujitsu AMILO Pi 1505 with Chipset - Mobile Intel 945PM.
It can be boot from the USB Flash Drive. But without UEFI.
I downloaded and wrote to the flash drive batocera-20170906.img
On other computers, the booting takes place without problems.
And on the old laptop is not loaded.
There is a skipping of the load from the USB and loading from the HDD continues.
If you disable boot from HDD in BIOS, then writes:
"Operating System not found"
I deleted it in grub.cfg console = tty3 quiet loglevel = 0
But I did not see any mistakes.
The laptop does not boot from USB.
How can I get him to load Batocera?
Thank you.
chanchomann
Thanks for the answer.
But
1. Recorded with the help of Rufus image. The result is the same.
2. BIOS on pressing F12 offers a boot from USB. If I wrote a Windows 7 distribution on the FLASH disk, or, for example, HirrenBootCD, then the launch takes place. There is no Batosera.
3. I disconnected the HDD at all. The result is the same.
You might think that it would be good to have your hypervisor boot from a removable drive, so that you could move it if the power supply or motherboard failed, but VM has sometimes disagreed with you: they have a commercial product for handling that situation,
The setup has a slightly wierd flow by which you are promted to point to install medium which it returns "cant find medium" you then select generic and then select the guest resources, if usb is checked you can then boot from there in the next step ...
I can see this being useful for retro machines where the BIOS doesn't support USB booting, boot Plop from a floppy or CD and then you can reinstall the OS or boot up from a USB device such as memory stick or external HDD which will be faster and more reliable than CDs or old IDE hard drives.
I used a similar tool to make a bootable USB stick which has different Window ISOs on it as well as a few Linux ones, and it comes up with a boot menu allowing you to select which ISO you want to boot from, Its called www.winsetupfromusb.com
Heard about PLOP years ago, and kept it around to try out on a lot of assorted hardware over a long time. I never found one case where PLOP helped me. It usually just froze the system on boot-up instead of actually booting from the selected media.
In the old days, projects like PLOP were useful. I think it was VMWare v1.x that wouldn't boot from some bootable OS installation CDs, while one floppy disk image "boot manager" with its own El Torito stack was able to help boot them. But that's ancient history.
A terrible Dell dual pentium4 workstation I acquired some time ago for nothing could not boot from USB from BIOS. Despite significant numbers of much cheaper systems of its era being able to do so. Plop made that system a lot easier to use.
Interesting. Long retired,with ancient hardware,I used GAG boot manager for a couple of decades to give nice big buttons to choose system to boot. Got in a tangle on the laptop recently with an extra installation,so slung it out and used Grub, with a stick-on label with menu written in biro.
Yes, there was a time when a computer might have USB ports but the firmware would not provide an option to boot from them. For that situation I found plop was a perfect solution. In effect, it provides and uses its own USB driver - that a BIOS might lack. While I'd usually install on the internal hard drive of such machines I also keep a copy of the ISO as a CD in my visit-and-boot toolkit.
The issue is that they don't support UEFI booting. My old firewall is an elderly HP Microserver - Intel Celeron processor... Which was OK in the old DSL/VDSL days - or even the FTTC dats since it was capable enough to keep up with the bandwidth available. Then I got FTTP (900Mb) and it's struggling..
I soon discovered it wasn't going to work - Sophos UTM will not boot from UEFI and the T40 *only* allows booting from UEFI (or so it seems - I couldn't find a BIOS boot made in the usual places in the BIOS).
Hello,
i am using a very old computer purchased in 2004 (18 years ago, FUJITSU SIEMENS SCENIC 500, 2.33 Ghtz cpu, 504 MB ram) and i created a usb key with my Q4OS iso inside.
After that, i start my pc in USB first boot mode and Q4OS grub boot menu appears but now......i can not move anything, any keyboard keys, any mouse, NOTHING so i have to turn my pc off.
I only downloaded Q4OS versions 2.8 and 3.14 iso's because newer versions always quit by themselves because of some errors during their booting.
I use PLOP BOOT MANAGER on my pc to boot from USB key because my pc has not got USB boot feature in BIOS so i have to use PLOP BOOT MANAGER to boot from USB key.
@pierini1
What installation iso do you try to boot on the screenshot ?
Q4OS-4 Gemini, Q4OS-3 Centaurus as well as Q4OS-2 Scorpion live media are only available as 64bit editions. If you want to install on 32bit machine, you need to download 32bit "install-cd" media.
I have booted and run Q4OS1 Orion on a Pentium 4 (32-bit, single core) that is a bit older than the computer you are using. I also have to use Plop. When I boot Q4OS from the Grub menu, after a bit of initial disk actiity it seemed like nothing was happening. But it did eventually boot after a very long time.
Because most of the action is happening in a virtual file system, no disk activity or any other activity is visible.
Other OpSysses that are too much for that machine behave the same way.
The PLoP Boot Manager is a very flexible boot manager program that lets you boot different operating system in a multi-OS system. The different operating systems not necessarily be installed on a had disk. PLoP Boot Manager can boot OS from hard disk, floppy, CD/DVD or from USB. The boot manager itself can reside on a floppy, CD or on a network.
PLoP Boot Manager has an interesting feature that lets you protect the MBR from changes. If another software change the entries in the MBR, the boot manager detects this change at the next startup and allows you to choose if you want to import the new values or forget them.
Once within PLoP Boot Manager, when you select the "USB" entry in PLoP, it will boot your USB stick/drive again. With the above Syslinux config file, it would then cycle back to PLoP again if you have set PLoP as DEFAULT boot option.
By using ifplop.c32, you can specify which action you want to perform the second time your USB stick/drive is booted; so you can load another config file, or boot a large hard disk image, or whatever you want.
@davidm71 , @100PIER , @chinobino , @Fernando :
Does any of you happen to have a Samsung 950 Pro or an Intel 750 NVMe SSD with legacy Option ROM capable of booting in legacy BIOS mode on a motherboard with no built-in support for NVMe an could help us out with providing a copy of the Option ROM?
I would like to experiment with the Option ROMs and see whether either one of these is capable of booting other NVMe SSDs in legacy BIOS mode.
I can provide instructions on extracting the Option ROM using a Linux boot CD/USB or I can create a simple UEFI driver or application to extract it if that works better for you.
Thank you.
Does any of you happen to have a Samsung 950 Pro or an Intel 750 NVMe SSD with legacy Option ROM capable of booting in legacy BIOS mode on a motherboard with no built-in support for NVMe an could help us out with providing a copy of the Option ROM?
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