The St. Cleve Chronicle V7 #48
Dave Steiner , The Moderator
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The St. Cleve Chronicle Thursday, 9 May 1996 Volume 7 : Issue 48
Today's Topics:
Attention Aussie Tull Fans
Budapest's Concert
Comment
Ian's Injury?
Yelling "Free Bird" at Tull concert
The Pine Marten and His Jig
Re: The St. Cleve Chronicle V7 #38
Ian and Canadian Bands
Home Town Tull
Re: The St. Cleve Chronicle V7 #40
Summer Tour and stuff
Re: Blues Traveler
Re: Celtic England
Pacific Northwest Tour Dates???? Anyone?
GT's Web Page
collectibles info
Re: The St. Cleve Chronicle V7 #39
Ahhh, Youth, And...
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From: ray...@wr.com.au
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 00:22:18 +1000
Subject: Attention Aussie Tull Fans
I just found out that JT will be doing an unplugged segment on Channel 9's
Midday Show.!!!!!!!! I'm seeing them on Monday in Sydney. Anyone else out
there going?
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From: acad...@risc1.gelso.unitn.it
Date: Thu, 09 May 96 15:27:48 -0700
Subject: Budapest's Concert
Does anybody know if Tull are going to play a concert in Budapest in
July?
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 14:13:35 -0400
From: "Philip J. Brainard" <brai...@erols.com>
Subject: Comment
> First, I'd like to thank the moderator of this forum for...the
> forum. Next, I'd like to say to the pundit, TOMMYTULL, that
> interpretations cannot be misinterpretations, unless Ian says they
> are. So, each person who listens to Tull can interpret the lyrics
> as they wish. Each person who listens to music flavors the music
> with the conditions and experiences of his life at the time...that's
> what makes a certain song or album special. Therefore, no one is
> correct or incorrect. All we need to know is that the lyrics that
> come on the average Tull album are heads and tails above the lyrics
> on the average album that is produced today...not to mention the
> incredible guitar, flute and harmonies of voice and instrument all
> orchestrated by one man, the man! Ian Anderson.
>
> Roots to Branches!!!
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:08:35 -0700
From: jna...@soemail.ucsd.edu (Jim Napier)
Subject: Ian's Injury?
Through all the mentions of Ian's recent injury and subsequent reviews
of concerts where he came out in a wheelchair I've waited for some
insight into how he hurt himself. Forgive me if this has been explained
before, but what happened?!? Thanks.
/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/
Jim Napier jna...@soe.ucsd.edu
School of Engineering
UC San Diego
"Aqua-lung(R) is used in the United States with permission of U.S. Divers,
Santa Ana, California"
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 00:03:39 -0500 (CDT)
From: Danny Porter <dan...@sky.net>
Subject: Yelling "Free Bird" at Tull concert
>From: Mike Lenox <le...@vortex.atmos.uah.edu>
>Subject: Tull in Atlanta
>
>couldn't be heard as clearly. What's the deal with folks yelling
>during the quiet songs? I don't mean younger kids being raucus. I'm
>talking about some 35 chap yelling "Free Bird" half a dozen times, and
In 1976, Lynyrd Skynyrd taped a live album at the same venue. It was capped
by an incredible rendition of "Free Bird". That doesn't excuse the stupid
people yelling it during a Tull concert.
While I'm here, I get to scream at Chrysalis and the local promoters for
once again taking a Tull tour (in this case with the Tull/ELP tour) and
basically skipping the Heart of America (most specifically, Kansas City) for
the third time.
Rant done. :) Have a good day!
Danny Porter
dan...@sky.net
- --
"I'd rather look around me, compose a better song,
'cause that's the honest measure of my worth."
-- Ian Anderson
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From: Luck...@aol.com
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 01:03:36 -0400
Subject: The Pine Marten and His Jig
Hello again, yes it's time for Lc's ramble hour!
I'm your host Lc. Today's topic is: The Pine Marten's Jig, and maybe a few
other things.
Hidden on the "weird" side of 1980's A album is a breif instrumental that
deserves some recognition. I just skip over 4wd and that other stuff (side
one is good though!), and go to this great song. It's a terrrific
instrumental. It's so very complicated that I'll listen to it twice, once to
focus on Martin's Guitar, Eddie Jobson's E. Violin, and that guy who plays
the flute. The second time I focus on Dave Pegg's Basswork--It is TERRIFIC!
I can't get over how good it is. It's a fast-paced folk-like song that can
really get you into the music. Martin just wails away, then Jobson takes
over on Violin, then Senor A (don't have the accent marks on my keyboard)
does this mind-boggling flute solo, all the while Pegg is just awe-ing you
with his bass playing. What'd I'd give for a live version of this. Please
go listen to it.
I'm doing a little Wond'ring Aloud... beggining with Aqualung Mr. A did his
"challenge society" thing or whatever we call it. Aqualung challenged
Christian beleifs and what-not, TaaB challenged...um...I'm drawing a
blank...young generations growing up or I don't know---This is a Major
Problem: This music carries some heavy ideas but I've always had trouble
putting them into words, sorry---and then aPP came along and I'm totally
unsure what his idea was there. It's a great one, anyhow. Send me what you
think-I'm on a mental lapse right now so please don't try too much to make me
look dumb. What am I saying? I'm talking about the best music fans there
are here! Yes that's you!
Let's all now say thanks to Mr. Steiner, who makes this whole thing
possible. We should really be thanking him for letting people like me post
their rambling minds.
[Your welcome! -ds]
Bye until we meet down by....
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From: "Ed Rybicki" <E...@molbiol.uct.ac.za>
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 10:05:45 SAST-2
Subject: Re: The St. Cleve Chronicle V7 #38
> Date: 04 Apr 96 22:42:44 EST
> From: "Richard J. Hutchinson" <10222...@compuserve.com>
> Subject: Tull and other bands...
>
> >Is there anybody out there who also dares mix JT with "Yes"," Black
> >Sabbath", "Pink Floyd" ?
> Oh yes. One of my favorite things about Tull is that I'll find something to
> match whatever mood I'm in. I'll listen to everything from Metallica and
...
Oh, yes...I have regularly featured Black Sabbath (mainly the quiet,
melodic numbers, just to prove they were not always ripping the heads
off roosters) and Floyd on my (very local) radio show; I always open
with Tull anyway, and lately played some Yes in a Tull special just
to show what else was going on around the time of "Aqualung" and
"TaaB".
Ed Rybicki, PhD
Dept Microbiology | e...@molbiol.uct.ac.za
University of Cape Town | phone: x27-21-650-3265
Private Bag, Rondebosch | fax: x27-21-650 4023
7700, South Africa |
WWW URL: http://www.uct.ac.za/microbiology/ed.html
"And then one day you find, ten years have got behind you"
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From: mmo...@interserv.com
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 07:12:25 -0700
Subject: Ian and Canadian Bands
Okay, there's been a lot of talk recently about Ian's playing with the
Canadian band Honeymoon Suite. While I personally don't recall this
combo, I do recall his participating with another Canadian band called
Men Without Hats on an album called "Pop Goes The World" around 1989
or so.
It's a very catchy tune called "On Tuesday" (side 1, track 2) which
was a minor hit for the band in Canada.
[Ian played flute on the song "All Along You Knew" on Honeymoon
Suite's album called _The Big Prize_ from 1985. -ds]
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Senior Representative
Times Mirror Professional Publishing
Office: 204-477-6271
Fax: 204-488-8014
Voicemail: 1-800-268-4178 x722
email: mmo...@interserv.com
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 10:34:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jason <jap...@rs01.kings.edu>
Subject: Home Town Tull
One or two issues ago I read that Jethro Tull and ELP (whomever that is)
will be touring the North East US. Not only that, so said the list of
dates, but they would be stopping right in my home town.
I have a hard time believing after doing a big-town-only US tour that
they would stop at almost a dozen smaller towns in the NE US, but I
really really really want to believe.
Can anyone confirm any of the following dates?
August 18, Darien, NY
August 21, Scranton, PA <my home town!>
August 22, Holmdel, NJ
August 23, Syracuse, NY
August 27, Columbia, MD
August 30, Jones Beach, NY
August 31, Camden, NJ
- -in the spirit of Tull,
- -Jason
[=----------------------------------=:=----------------------------------=]
"So if you're alone and you're down to the bone just give us a play...
You'll smile for a while and discover I get you happy my way..
Nothing's Easy!"
-Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull
<studio version>
From the Depths of Swell in the
Heart of King's College
Jason Page : jap...@his.wits.end
[=----------------------------------=:=----------------------------------=]
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:13:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: celticblue <alo...@HUGSE1.HARVARD.EDU>
Subject: Re: The St. Cleve Chronicle V7 #40
here's some replies to a couple of things from #40:
>
- ------------------------------ >
> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 96 14:10:56 +0100
> From: N.Tho...@lancaster.ac.uk (Mr. Neil R. Thomason)
> Subject: Farm On The Freeway
>
> Hi all.
>
> I found the original 'farm on the freeway' this week! On the highest
> section of the M62 motorway, crossing from Manchester to Leeds (look it up
> in an atlas), the motorway splits into a west-bound carriageway and an
> east-bound carriageway separated by fifty yards or so. In the intervening
> gap is a traditional upland sheep farm. It's just a farmhouse, a few sheds
> and a field, with a track passing under the motorway to the surrounding
> moors. Could IA have noticed this and been inspired? It's certainly a
> landmark. I actually remember the owner being interviewed on BBC Radio 4
> some years ago, but I didn't make the connection at the time.
>
> Cheerio,
>
> NRT
but isn't Farm on the Freeway referring to the plight of US farms, hence
the use fo the word "freeway"??? do delete this response if others point
out the same with more detail...
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 96 22:21:13 -0400
> From: fre...@umich.edu
> Subject: Celtic England
>
> re: NRT's comments on England NOT being Celtic,
> I may be mistaken, but perhaps the reference to England as Celtic does
> indeed refer to that time BEFORE 54 B.C.E. That was a time when the
> geographic entity of England was definitely Celtic.
one problem these days is the bandying about of the "C" word by many
who don't have a clear historical or cultural sense of what it refers
to; i know i have been guilty of this too, as i answered privately to
NRT when he first posted this...
Of course, England
> was the first to go. Howvever, didn't England retain much of its
> "Celtic-ness" despite Roman rule? What happened after the Romans left
> but before the Anglo-Saxon invasions? (Date?) I was always under the
> impression that the entire area sort of "reverted" back to its
> "Celtic-ness."
well, there HAVE been powerful cultural and patriotic movements to
bring back native langauges and so forth...and the "Celtic Twilight"
period of which Yeats managed to bring about a well-received revival...
In fact, I've heard many interpretations of the
> Authurian legends as the last bastion of Celtic kingdoms (in the
> geographic entity of England) against the invading Saxons.
King of the Celts by Jean Markale (Inner Traditions, 1994) is a
fascinating exploration of King Arthur; some of Markale's theories deal
with the Welsh and Scottish versions of Arthur; these tales served more
than any other to unite the various "Celtic" cultural traditions of
the UK.
> This is a subject I have a great interest in so any further discussion
> would be most helpful. I assume from your email address that you live
> in Lancaster (?), so you probably know a lot about this. Any comments
> from NRT or anyone else. I understand what you mean about England
> having (almost) totally lost its "Celtic-ness" with the subsequent
> invasions, but it still persisits in English music, wouldn't you agree?
> I welcome any further comments on Celtic imagery in Tull. Does anyone
> know more about that book, "Love From the Fields"?
this is not a book but an article in Obsidian magazine, which is awaited
from the printers any day now. email me if you want to know how to get a
copy; i have already posted this info many times to the SCC and don't
want to seem like i am shamelessly advertising...
> Tullfully yours,
> CF
>
> >Date: Wed, 20 Mar 96 17:20:05 GMT
> >From: N.Tho...@lancaster.ac.uk (Mr. Neil R. Thomason)
> >Subject: Cymru ac Cymraig
> >
> >Hi
> >
> >>>From: celticblue <alo...@HUGSE1.HARVARD.EDU>
> >>>Subject: Re: The St. Cleve Chronicle V7 #18
> >>>
> >>>as for Stormwatch, Heavy Horses, and Songs From the Wood, how can you say
> >>>it's not Celtic? It's full of references that are quintessentially English
> >>>and occasionally Scottish in their folklore, imagery and history.
> >>>author, "Love From the Fields: The Imagery of Pagan Britain in the Songs
> >>>of Ian Anderson"
> >>>Obsidian Magazine
> >
> >
> >Please, please tell me you haven't said this in the Obsidian article.
> >
> >There is absolutely nothing; NOT ONE MINISCULE FRACTION of Celtic in the
> >English.
> >
etc etc etc
> >
> >Yes, Ian Anderson draws on the mythology of both England and the Celtic
> >Nations; but PLEASE don't treat them as a single entity.
> >
> >Tara rwan,
> >
then thomas says:>
> I would hazard a guess that the article mistakenly used "English" where
> "British" was intended in reference to Brythonic Celts. A common mistake
> fostered by the English who call themselves Brits in an effort to dominate
> the blessed isles. This error is common even to Celts (e.g. we Irish say
> "Brits out!" regarding Ultonian self-determination) and not, in my opinion,
> deserving of the umbrage you've taken over the matter.
hmm, thanks thomas!! i wrote back to Neil and we more or less amicably
resolved the matter; he apologized for coming on a bit strong; so much ink
has been spilled over what it is to be a "Celt" that i am not surprised there
is little or no meaning left to the word these days...
>
>
> *******************************************************************
> Stay tuned for the next exciting issue of The St. Cleve Chronicle!
> *******************************************************************
>
don't we always???
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:04:15 -0500
From: pdam...@itsmail1.hamilton.edu (Paul R. Damaske)
Subject: Summer Tour and stuff
Dear all,
This is my first posting to the Chronicle, so I'll briefly introduce
myself. I'm a first-year at Hamilton College in Clinton NY, where I'm
concentrating on biology and english, while keeping busy in 5 music groups
on campus, including the Buffers, an all-male a cappella vocal ensemble.
I'm thinking about arranging some Tull for the Buffers, but haven't quite
gotten around to it yet. If anyone has any a cappella arrangements, I'd be
most grateful for a copy.
Anyway, I just read in the Chronicle that Tull with will be touring w/ELP
this summer. Talk about psyched! I've got several friends here and at
home who are most grateful for the information that was provided in the
Chronicle. (By the way, most of us are die-hard Rush/Tull fans as well.) I
checked with Ticketmaster Tull site, but they (as usual, it seems) had no
information on the tour. I was wondering if anyone knows when the Darien
Lake or Syracuse, NY shows will go on sale, and where the Syracuse show
will be held (Landmark? State Fair?). Please reply to
"pdam...@hamilton.edu" I saw Tull for the first and only time at the
Landmark Theatre in Syracuse on April 1, 1994 with center, front balcony
seats. It was by far the most "musical" rock concert I have seen. The
acousitics were incredible, highlighting Ian's flute and Martin's piercing
guitar. But that's all probably been discussed before=8A My gratitude again
goes out to DS for providing this body of knowledge and discussion. I
think I'll probably go into withdrawl over the summer without it.
If anybody hears anything about those concerts, please get back to me.
Much thanks.
Cheers,
Paul
"It's hard to hold the hand of anyone
who's reaching for the sky just to surrender"
-Leonard Cohen
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From: wtb...@iconn.net
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:55:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Blues Traveler
>At 12:55 PM 4/3/1996 -0500, you wrote:
>>Dave Steiner said:
>>>
>>> wtb...@iconn.net said:
>>> >
>>> > P.S. Does anyone listen to Blues Traveler?
>>
>>Yes, I do. If I remember correctly Brian Scorben (sp?) does too.
>>
>>> > They have some Ianistic traits.
>>
>>Care to elaborate on that? As a stretch there may be something
>>to be said as Ian-Anderson-flute-player-frontman and
>>John-Popper-harmonica-player-frontman.
>>
>
>Well, there's one.
>
>>Musically, though, it's hard for me to come up with a strong
>>comparison of Blues Traveler's music to Jethro Tull's.
>>
>>Well, ok, both could roughly be thrown into a category of
>>"blues-influenced rock music".
>>
>
I wasn't really thinking of the Blues, but more of individuality. Neither
seems to really care about selling millions of copies, they make their
music, some like and some don't. They are certainly not bands with a studio
created image that they follow just to keep fans.
>Another similarity, at least in my mind, is their great lyrics. Both song
writers are completely honest, and don't care to much about what is taboo.
It may seem that BT's recent MTV success kinda is because of a little extra
calling to the masses. John Popper apparently fell to the pressure of easy
millions, but even in his most poplular songs shows , at least to me, that
he didn't fell to good about it.
"Like a nervous magician wating in the wings..."
-Run Around
A magician knows he is convincing people of an image that is not real at all.
"It doesn't matter what I say
So long as I sing with inflection"
"What your doing to me this MTV is not for free
It's so PC it's killing me"
-Each from Hook
If you read the rest of Hook you will definitely see what I mean.
And I guess the most important similarity is they are my two favorite bands.
I fell that both JP and IA are speaking to ME. They just have the best and
most feeling of anything I've heard, and I really agree with most of the
things(political, religious, etc.) that they stand for.
Anyone else have any thoughts on Blues Traveler, Tull-Traveler relations, or
just have some ideas about Tull you want to talk about: Email me at
wtb...@iconn.net
Ryan
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 18:14:02
From: KSt...@gnn.com (Kevin T. Streit)
Subject: Re: Celtic England
>
> I don't pretend to be an exceptionally current authority
>here, but I am a doctoral candidate in medieval history with a
>special emphasis on early medieval Britain, so here's my 2 cents'
>worth...
>
> This is a very thorny topic among early medieval and Celtic
>specialists. There's a big debate that flares up perennially
about
>just how many Angles & Saxons "invaded" England in the
fourth-fifth
>centuries C.E. I tend to favor the "minimalist" camp which
asserts
>that there weren't all that many Angles & Saxons, not a huge
>*Volkswanderung* as was postulated in the late 19th/early 20th
>centuries, but a series of incursions by Germanic warbands,
>initially invited in by the Roman-Celtic authorities in England to
>combat raids by the Irish and Picts. Later on, these Germanic
>mercenaries rebelled against the native authorities and the rest,
>as they say, is history.
>
> Now, if there weren't that many Angles & Saxons, why, you may
>ask, are we now speaking English instead of Welsh or, indeed, a
>Romance language derived from the Latin spoken in Roman Britain?
>(Latin seems to have been the principal language of what is now
>"England" throughout most of its land area, with Welsh remaining
>primary only in remoter regions and among those lowest on the
>social/economic ladder). No one has proposed a really satisfactory
>answer to this point, but there is a school of thought out there
>that goes like this: the peasantry, who spoke Welsh, learned
>enough English to get by; the English language did not borrow much
>Welsh vocabulary, but the native Welsh speakers applied their
>native syntax to English, and much of that Welsh syntax remains in
>the English language to this day.
>
> As for musical traditions, I'm over my head here. I would
>say that the English musical heritage is a huge mish-mash of
>Celtic, Germanic, and continental French elements that have
>interacted with one another for many centuries. I think much of
>Jethro Tull's music reflects this hybrid tradition.
>
> Those are my thoughts, for what they're worth.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Kevin Streit
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:43:19 -0700
From: Cameron Cordova <cam...@integrators.com>
Subject: Pacific Northwest Tour Dates???? Anyone?
Finally, some updated tour dates for this summer and fall! Glad to see
that, and excited to hear that ELP may be touring with Tull. However, does
anyone know of tour dates for the Pacific Northwest, namely Seattle/Tacoma,
Portland, Spokane, or Pulman, etc.?
I might make it to the San Diego concert, but would rather go to one closer
to home.
TIA.
"Skating away on the thin ice of a new day..."
Cameron Cordova (cam...@integrators.com)
[According to the fuller list on the website, there's the following dates:
Fri. Sept. 27 Portland, OR LB Day Amphitheater
Sat. Sept. 28 George, WA The Gorge
-ds]
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Date: 26 Apr 96 07:55:40 -0700
From: "JFRATUS.US.ORACLE.COM" <JFR...@us.oracle.com>
Subject: GT's Web Page
Cc: bs...@banyan.com, sh...@world.std.com, kr...@banyan.com, pse...@banyan.com,
gwi...@banyan.com
SCC readers might find the following web page of Interest:
http://world.std.com/~sheal/gtpics.html
This is a web page for The GT's, AKA "Greatful Tull". We play the bar/pub
circuit around the Boston area and feature several Tull tunes as part of our
blues/rock/reggae set. The web page has some cool .wav files you can downlaod
including a rather fun version of Hymn 43 recorded live from some dive in the
Boston area.
There's a link to our home page for information about upcomming gigs.
_____________________________________
John Fratus
Flute/Sax/Harmonica/vocals
The GT's: Good Times!
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 96 14:18:55 EDT
From: joe <FRA...@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: collectibles info
Hello all,
While browsing in a record store a few days ago, I ran across a copy of
Walk into Light on vinyl. Since so many people have been begging for it,
I thought I would mention it here. If anyone is interested in it, I will
find out the phone number for the shop. For people in the Chicago area, I
will tell you that the shop is one block west of the Davis Street El station
in Evanston.
I have a question about another Tull collectible I once saw in a record
store. It was a 3-D molded plastic version of the cover of TOTRNR, with
Ian popping right out of the front. It was done in brown plastic with
gold painted accents. He wouldn't sell it to me, but I did notice it was
gone later when I went in there. Maybe someone finally offered him enough.
Has anyone seen this before?
joe frazee
fra...@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 14:34:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: celticblue <alo...@HUGSE1.HARVARD.EDU>
Subject: Re: The St. Cleve Chronicle V7 #39
so here is my response to this post::
>
> From: TOMM...@aol.com
> Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 15:08:37 -0500
> Subject: Words from the rostrum
>
> Roll out your red carpets, here comes Mr. Righteous.
>
> I'd like to say a little something about the misinterpretations of Anderson
> lyrics. I found all the analysis of Dun Ringill entertaining, in some cases
> quite inventive. (Especially since i never heard the song before the
> discussion started--after which i went out and found it--but previously i
> thought the title was Dung Ringing.) I think i can safely say that at least
> some of it is off the mark, but the overall critique helped me to appreciate
so you'd never heard the song before all of this? so what makes you think
i'm the least bit interested in your opinion of the interpretations of fans
for whom the song is an old favorite?
> what a remarkable song it is. However, i must say something to the
> interpreters of some other Tull songs--particularly the Aqualung
> tracks. I've
>
> Another topic fresh (or fresh again, as i understand it) is the debate over
> Anderson's sexual lyrics. Much of his lyrics yes, are sexual in content or
> implication. Their cleverness and effect are impressive to the right
> audience, and holds to a higher sophistication, unlike much sexual rap
> lyrics; the question here seems to be age, or the proper maturity of a Tull
> audience. Here, i think certain harvard dimwits and other psychoanalogical
if you are referring to me (i am the only SCC poster with a harvard email
address that i know of) I DO NOT appreciate this undeserved insult.
i simply work here; i am not on the faculty, am not even a matriculated
student, so get over your anti-elitist fears, okay?
[There are 8 harvard.edu folks on the mailing list. -ds]
> dieficators should open their damned psych. 101 books and read what they
> proclaim to be their faith. Children are not mini-adults: they not only know
> less but their mental processes are vastly different from that of an adult
> human, and thus certain subjects should not be exposed to them. Just as a
this is the biggest bunch of arrogant hogwash! children have access to
creativity and unspoiled innocence that many adults (yourself obviously)
have either forgotten or had drilled out of them)
> child cannot be reasoned with, and must be told simply "NO" or "YES"
> in terms of behavior (dont start with that "dwarving the childrens
> mind by being too simplistic" crap; any parent knows that a child
> simply CANNOT understand reason. They're minds arent developed
> enough, period), like Rain man a child cannot understand
> sex. Period. No if's and's or anything else's. I remember
so why is that young boys, even infant boys, get erections?> why do young
boys and girls masturbate openly, because it feels good, until they are
told it is "bad" to touch themselves in that way??
> one day i told my little brother the birds.. and later that afternoon my
> mother caught him flashing his tallywacker to the nextdoor neighbor's
> daughter. A child cannot comprehend these things and so certain things must
i'm sure he was beaten to a pulp, or at least forced to read bible verses;
perhaps she tied his hands together so he couldn't touch himself in this
lewd way??
> be witheld until the child is of age.
> Next is the notion that "sexual uptightness" is the cause of any such
> violence, and that a perfect world would be rebound with sexual expression.
> Aerosmith's Steven Tyler once said, "Everything is sex. Admit it! We are
> animals who shtooop." No, we are animals who THINK. Sexuality is part of our
> animalistic nature, kin to happiness, sadness, aggresssion, and all emotion.
> I'm a true rarity it today's culture--a nineteen year old virgin--male, no
> less!!
no big surprise there; intelligence being the most profound aphrodisiac...
I've had more girls slap me for *not* taking advantage of them than
> most guys have had from girls they WERE moving in on. Casual sex is not a
so get a clue there, friar tuck.
> valid expression of oneself: it is silly and the sign of a mentally immature
> mind, one whose faculties of reason are subpar and relinquish bodily control
> to hormones. Men and women alike should reason their way above flower power
> and free sex, and save that particular expression for what it's best inteded
> for: A gift of L-O-V-E-love--albeit a lusty one--but a gift of true love
> nevertheless, for a person who can return it in kind. Sex in any other form
> is far too dangerous and selfish to be worth the effort.
here's hoping you don't screw over too many women with your puritanical
and misogynist attitudes about the human body.
>
> Note: i do *not* offer apologies for offending anybody's beliefs (other than
> religious) or lifestyles. Take That. (did doane really play for them?)
nor do i; but i have NEVER before seen such blatant flaming posted to this
newsgroup and have NEVER felt compelled to answer back in such a manner;
but this "dimwit" from harvard, who enjoys sex, who wouldn't touch you if
you were the last functioning penis on earth, thinks you have a lot to learn
about the pleasures of the body as they are celebrated by Ian Anderson in
his lyrics, and would do well to emulate his courtly manners as
well...and i pity your children, if you can ever muster the sperm to
produce any; they will have to grow up with a repressive, anti-pleasure
moronic robot for a dad.
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From: coy...@intrepid.net
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 13:47:15 -0400
Subject: Ahhh, Youth, And...
...the lessons it offers up the the uninformed...
On April 6, 1996 TOMMYTULL (aka. Fidyan) spake:
> I'd like to say a little something about the misinterpretations of
> Anderson lyrics.
Sorry to have misinterpreted. Pray, set the assembled and misinformed
company aright on the proper meaning of that and others.
Then spake he: > Let's have a bit more thinking before we write, eh?
If only...
Then: > I've had more girls slap me for *not* taking advantage of
> them than most guys have had from girls they WERE moving
> in on.
Thank you SO much for that. Congratulations, by the way. The Tull
connection, then, would be...?
Then: > Sex in any other form is far too dangerous and selfish to be
> worth the effort.
I'll try to remember.
Then: > ...particularly proud whilst i sat on the water closet
> yesterday...
Again, thank you. Places to be proud on are rare in these trying times.
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