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Neha Singh

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Oct 13, 2011, 3:40:27 AM10/13/11
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This wild shrub I photographed at Pune ( Warje). on 5.10.11.
I went again for taking pics but cauz of  incessant rain in last few days here.. it was tattered.
So Plz identify with these poor pics.

Thanks

Neha Singh



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H S

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Oct 13, 2011, 3:42:56 AM10/13/11
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I guess some Leucas species..
 
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Gurcharan Singh

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Oct 13, 2011, 3:44:36 AM10/13/11
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I hope Sesamum indicum


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Gurcharan Singh

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Oct 13, 2011, 3:47:35 AM10/13/11
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Sorry, leaves are opposite

H S may be right


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Gurcharan Singh

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Oct 13, 2011, 3:50:50 AM10/13/11
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Perhaps Leucas aspera


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Neha Singh

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Oct 13, 2011, 5:58:42 AM10/13/11
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Thanks H S sir n Gurcharan sir.
Leucas sp for sure but Gurcharan sir I m nt sure abt.Leucas aspera.
Flower looks same but leaves dont. Only in 1-2 pics leaves match otherwise leaves of this sp r acicular and in d pics they r not.

I hv dwnlded one pic of Leucas aspera and putting both mine n that one for comparison.Plz judge.


Neha

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Giby Kuriakose

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Oct 13, 2011, 6:06:06 AM10/13/11
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Please check Leucas lavandulifolia of Lamiaceae family. Copying this to Vijay for validation. 



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Neha Singh

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Oct 13, 2011, 7:10:22 AM10/13/11
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 I m still in doubt Giby Sir. Leaves of Leucas lavandulifolia dont match either. I referred Dinesh Sir's Pic .( link attachd)

 Leaves of
L. lavandulifolia n  L. aspera looks same,( both serrate)  but of this sp. looks different (smooth margins).

I duuno , may b I m wrong.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/517437888/

Neha


H S

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Oct 13, 2011, 7:26:32 AM10/13/11
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Neha ji please check with some Herbarium specimens in Good herbarium Institute for confirming the species identification,, I am unable to locate the proper texture of the leaves in the photographs and some minute details..
 
thanks..

Neha Singh

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Oct 13, 2011, 7:32:27 AM10/13/11
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H S sir I'll try to do so.
Also d plant is there, may b tattered but I can photograph leaves I think.
I will try to get some detailed pics of leaves ,soon.( plz tell me  should i concentrate on something in particular ?)

Thanks.
 

Vijayasankar

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Oct 13, 2011, 4:22:07 PM10/13/11
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The entire leaves and straight-mouthed calyx point to Leucas longifolia, but differs in having solitary flowers. Agree with Neha ji, it is not L. aspera nor L. lavendulaefolia - both of these have strongly oblique calyx mouth and serrate leaves etc. More views of pictures, close-up shots should help. Pl also refer Dr. V.Singh's monograph for easy and correct id.
 
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National Center for Natural Products Research
University of Mississippi

Dr Pankaj Kumar

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Oct 13, 2011, 9:55:28 PM10/13/11
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Oh there is strong scientific fight going on here. Yes, Neha, you
should always check authentic literatures or herbaria specimens. Pics
on internet are not always reliable and we have faced that issue so
many times. As I always say, assigning an incorrect name is not wrong,
but not accepting my mistakes is wrong.
Keep it up. Thanks H.S. for keeping this thread alive.
Pankaj

Vijayasankar

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Oct 13, 2011, 11:44:12 PM10/13/11
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Thanks Pankaj, for spicing up the discussion with useful punch dialogues :)

 
Regards 
 
Vijayasankar Raman
National Center for Natural Products Research
University of Mississippi



Neha Singh

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Oct 14, 2011, 4:21:18 AM10/14/11
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Photographed today. I hope this'll help.
Thanks all.

Regards
Neha
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Giby Kuriakose

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Oct 14, 2011, 5:13:58 AM10/14/11
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Very nice to see that Neha ji has critically checked the id based on the suggestions. 
I agree with H S ji, Pankaj and Vijay that the person who collected/photographed the plant should cross check the id for confirmation with key characters. As we cant see most of the characters in pictures there are chances that the id may go wrong. 
Here in this case, I erred in suggesting L. lavendulaefolia, and now I feel that the id suggested by Vijay would be correct. 
Please refer some earlier threads @ and reference therein


Regards,
Giby



Neha Singh

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Oct 14, 2011, 7:33:57 AM10/14/11
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Thanks Giby Sir and yess, it matches with d images in d thread.

 
Then finally it is
Leucas longifolia.( but with solitary flowers,as Vijayasankar Sir  pointed out) .

Thank you all.

Regards
Neha  S

Satish Phadke

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Oct 14, 2011, 9:15:06 AM10/14/11
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There are a large number of these plants on all the hills and open areas around Pune.
Nice discussion in the thread. I have also taken pictures of the plant recently. Will post them in a different thread.
By the way I would request members to post pictures of identified plants of Leaucas aspera and L.infundibulifolia to clear the doubts further
Thanks
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