ANJAN13/13 Asclepiad/Apocynad vine for identification

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Anurag Sharma

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Jan 3, 2015, 4:37:46 AM1/3/15
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Date: 28th December 2014
Place: Someshwara Wildlife Sanctuary
Habit: Climber

Exudate is not milky but watery.
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Satish Phadke

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Jan 3, 2015, 11:34:36 AM1/3/15
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Tylophora?

Dr Satish Phadke

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J.M. Garg

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Jan 13, 2015, 2:01:22 AM1/13/15
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Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Tylophora?
Dr Satish Phadke 

 

Tylophora species in eFloraofindia (with details/ keys from published papers/ regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ Biotik/ efloras/ books etc., where ever available) 


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surajit koley

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Jan 18, 2015, 10:31:02 AM1/18/15
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This is very complicated as can be seen that the thread remains unanswered even when we have a number of very strong members from South who would leave no stone unturned to try to identify it. Also there are members who rely on their experience more than they rely on literatures!

Well, I am not sure if it can be Tylophora when there are similar looking species from different genera, eg. - http://www.eflorakkl.in/Details.php?id=40.

If it is Tylophora the closest match I think maybe Tylophora pauciflora Wight & Urn.

Thank you
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surajit

surajit koley

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Jan 18, 2015, 10:36:10 AM1/18/15
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Anurag Ji,

Three KEW herbarium is all I could find, besides the Icones illustration; FBI is of little help, check with your regional flora literature for any probability.

Abid Munshi

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Jan 18, 2015, 11:23:26 AM1/18/15
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Dear Friends
The plant uploaded seems to Tylophora indica
Prof. A. H. Munshi

Anurag Sharma

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Jan 19, 2015, 6:41:57 AM1/19/15
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Thank you very much sir.
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Anurag N. Sharma
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St. Josephs College
Bangalore

Anurag Sharma

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Jan 26, 2015, 5:29:47 AM1/26/15
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I looked it up sir and I agree with your identification.
The distribution shows it as being found in Shimoga district in which this place is located.

As for the other genera+species which could also be similar, in particular the Heterostemma tanjorense has a much smaller peduncle while the Kew herbarium links that you provided show the length of the peduncle to be similar to the climber I have photographed.

Some more links:
1) http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/pdf/Tylophora%20pauciflora/453.pdf.jpg
2) http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/pdf/Tylophora%20pauciflora/454.pdf.jpg

Thank you very much.


On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 10:14 PM, surajit koley <surajitno...@gmail.com> wrote:
You are always welcome, Anurag Ji, please take your time.
Thank you
Regards

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Anurag Sharma <anurag...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello sir,
Good afternoon.

Thank you for digging deeply! Right now I have exams so I can't go through the keys available with me and online literature right now but I will reply by the end of this week in detail regarding this with any doubts/queries. Please do help me out then!

Thank you.






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surajit koley

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Jan 26, 2015, 8:11:14 AM1/26/15
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Yes, Anurag Ji, these are the points based on which I suggested the ID -

(i) peduncle longer than petiole and few flowered
(ii) sepals ovate acute
(iii) leaf veins and their looping orchestrations, acuminate tips
(iv) glabrous nature

Now, I am not sure what those five globose red dots at the centre of the flowers are. If these are 'coronal process' it is ok. But someone, in a website I fail to find now,  claims these dot like structures of another Tylophora are glands.

Thank you.

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surajit

Dinesh Valke

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Jan 26, 2015, 8:49:25 AM1/26/15
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Thanks Surajit ji and Anurag for deep diving ... I would go with Tylophora pauciflora.
Let me put a crop of one of my photos here, to get closer to look at the red "dots". Perhaps it would help in knowing what they are. To me they look like "coronal process" ... similar to structure that we see in typical asclepiads like crown flower ...

Tylophora pauciflora

Regards.
Dinesh

Dinesh Valke

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Jan 26, 2015, 8:51:42 AM1/26/15
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Not sure whether the embedded image is visible; therefore pasting once again here ...

Tylophora pauciflora 

Regards.
Dinesh

Anurag Sharma

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Jan 26, 2015, 9:00:31 AM1/26/15
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Surajit sir, yes. I too was thinking along those lines.. I have attached some more photos. Thank you.
Dinesh sir, it was visible the first time itself!
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surajit koley

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Jan 26, 2015, 9:44:55 AM1/26/15
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I thank you very much Anurag Ji and Dinesh Ji, for your wonderful detail uploads. I can only say in college we had to dissect and show nerves of even cockroach or earthworm. Those were much easier than these botany things!

Thank you again for all wonderful interactions.

Best Regards

surajit

Anurag Sharma

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Jan 27, 2015, 10:52:24 AM1/27/15
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Thank you too sir.
I wish I could either agree or disagree. Unfortunately for us, all dissections are banned and if conducted, must be done so secretly..

Dinesh Valke

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Jan 27, 2015, 11:09:08 AM1/27/15
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Thanks Surajit ji. All for the love of nature and flora of our country !!
Regards.
Dinesh

surajit koley

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Jan 27, 2015, 11:59:10 AM1/27/15
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Yes, Anurag Ji, I have read about this ban in newspaper. I wonder how many colleges do have the facility of computer simulation technology to facilitate its students practice their dissecting skills.

Thank you
Regards
surajit

surajit koley

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Jan 27, 2015, 12:02:32 PM1/27/15
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Thank you Dinesh Sir :-)

Regards
surajit

Anurag Sharma

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Jan 29, 2015, 11:38:23 AM1/29/15
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True, sir.
How many colleges can afford it even.

surajit koley

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Jan 29, 2015, 12:27:09 PM1/29/15
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Yes, I agree, and after all these years of no lab-work I have forgot everything!
Thank you
Regards
surajit

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