Ladakh, August 2022 :: Clematis for ID :: ARK2022-165

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Alka Khare

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Oct 20, 2022, 11:14:13 AM10/20/22
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Hello friends

This was on the banks of the Pangong tso.
This looks different from the Clematis I had posted from Mulbekh, particularly the leaves.

Requested to please ID.
 
Thanks and regards
Alka Khare
Clematis ladakhiana_Ladakh Pangong5.JPG
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Alka Khare

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Oct 20, 2022, 11:15:26 AM10/20/22
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A couple of more pics
Clematis ladakhiana_Ladakh Pangong4.JPG
Clematis ladakhiana_Ladakh Pangong3.JPG

Saroj Kasaju

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Oct 20, 2022, 11:20:10 AM10/20/22
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Clematis orientalis L. !
Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju


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Alka Khare

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Oct 20, 2022, 11:33:34 AM10/20/22
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Thank you Saroj ji again

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Saroj Kasaju

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Oct 20, 2022, 11:39:38 AM10/20/22
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OK Alka ji !
Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju


Mahadeswara

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Oct 21, 2022, 12:30:41 AM10/21/22
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Wonderful Alka ji.

J.M. Garg

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Oct 21, 2022, 7:36:56 AM10/21/22
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Here are the keys from BSI Flora of India:
b. Inflorescence a panicle of 5 - several flowers; sepals acute or subacute at apex, pubescent along inner margins14
14a. Leaflets long acuminate; filaments 2 - 3 times as long as anthers17. Clematis ladakhiana
b. Leaflets obtuse or acute; filaments less than 2 times as long as anthers22. Clematis orientalis

What should we consider these leaflets: 'long acuminate' or 'obtuse or acute', in absence of anthers?

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J.M. Garg

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Oct 23, 2022, 4:35:11 AM10/23/22
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Pl. see the detailed descriptions from BSI Flora of India: 

 

 Clematis ladakhiana Grey-Wilson

 Clematis orientalis L.

 




Shrubs, climbing or straggling; stems up to 2 - 3 m long, tinged with purplish brown, slightly pubescent to glabrous. Leaves pinnate with 5 - 7 leaflets or more or less bipinnate; leaflets narrow-lanceolate, entire or with 1 - 2 lobes in the lower part, caudate-acute at apex, (1.5 -) 2.7 - 9 x 0.4 - 2 cm, glabrous or subglabrous above and beneath, glaucous green. 








Flowers axillary, yellow, often tinged or spotted with purplish brown or reddish brown outside; peduncles 0.6 - 4.7 cm long; bracts similar to leaves, generally with 3 - 5 leaflets; pedicels slender, 1.5 - 12 cm long, sparsely pubescent to subglabrous. Sepals narrow-lanceolate to elliptic, acute to acuminate, 15 - 25 x 4 - 10 mm, glabrous to subglabrous outside, pubescent along margins, densely pubescent inside. Filaments 6 - 10 mm long; anthers 2 - 3 mm long. Styles up to 4 cm long in fruit.


Fl. July - Sept.

Large woody climbers or scramblers, up to 8 m long; stems and branches angular, whitish grey or tinged with purplish red, sparsely pilose. Leaves pinnate, up to 7-foliolate or somewhat bipinnate and up to 9-foliolate; petioles 2 - 10 cm long; leaflets oblong-lanceolate, elliptic or ovate or linear-oblong, simple or 2 - 3-lobed or deeply cleft, entire or sometimes trilobed, oblique, cuneate or rounded at base, obtuse or subacute at apex, (1-) 2.5 - 6.5 x 0.5 - 3.5(-5) cm, glabrous or sparsely pilose, greyish green or glaucous; petiolules 5 - 30 mm long, pilose. Inflorescences axillary or terminal, elongated, 3-many- flowered, leafy cymes; peduncles 0.5 - 9.5 cm long; pedicels slender, 0.5 - 5 cm long, curved at apex, pilose, elongating in fruit; bracts oblong, elliptic or ovate, 2 - 20 x 1 - 10 mm, entire, unifoliolate, pinnate or 2 - 3-lobed, shortly petiolate, greyish green; flower buds ovoid, acute, dark red. Flowers 3 - 5 cm across, pale yellow, greenish yellow or cream-coloured, sometimes purplish brown inside, tinged with red-violet outside, often mottled with purple. Sepals 4, ovate, oblong or elliptic, acute or subacute, 11 - 15 x 4 - 7.5 mm, spreading, recurved later, silky villous outside or on both surfaces. Stamens 20 - 40; filaments slender, broad at base, 4 - 8 mm long, yellow or dark purple; anthers 2.5 - 4 mm long. Carpels many, 5 - 11 mm long, ellipsoid or rhomboid; style 4 - 10 mm long, pubescent. Achenes rhomboid, laterally compound, ribbed at margins, 2 - 4 x 1 - 2 mm, dark brown, pubescent with 2.5 - 5 cm long hairy tails.


Fl. & Fr. July - Sept.

 

 

 


Going by this, I will go for Clematis ladakhiana Grey-Wilson.
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Alka Khare

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Oct 25, 2022, 2:38:39 AM10/25/22
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Thank you Mahadeswara ji and Garg ji.

The hairs on the sepals from this post are different from the ones in the Clematis I had posted from Mulbekh

I am a bit confused. Are both of them C. ladakhiana?

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Alka Khare

J.M. Garg

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Oct 25, 2022, 2:51:16 AM10/25/22
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Sepals are acuminate here. I have to check the other one.
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J.M. Garg

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Oct 28, 2022, 11:29:08 AM10/28/22
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I think both are Clematis ladakhiana Grey-Wilson.
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Alka Khare

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Oct 29, 2022, 2:09:40 AM10/29/22
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Thank you Garg ji for concluding.

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Alka Khare

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