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Smita Raskar

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Oct 26, 2010, 2:56:37 AM10/26/10
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Hi 
is it Peristylus? i
are they both one and same?
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Smita raskar
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Dinesh Valke

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Oct 26, 2010, 3:16:53 AM10/26/10
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Smita ji ... a guess until a concrete ID comes by ... Peristylus densus

Regards.

Dinesh Valke

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Oct 26, 2010, 3:20:50 AM10/26/10
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Smita ji ... not capable of answering you main query -- are they both one and the same !!!!
My response is for the 2nd photo ... the plant in it, seems to me Peristylus densus.

Regards.

Pankaj Kumar

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Oct 26, 2010, 3:42:04 AM10/26/10
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Yes this is Peristylus densus, both of them.
Regards
Pankaj

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Smita Raskar

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Oct 26, 2010, 10:29:56 AM10/26/10
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Thanks for id

Smita Raskar

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Oct 26, 2010, 1:01:10 PM10/26/10
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Hi
plz tell me name of epiphytic orchid 
pic taken at Amboli
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Pankaj Kumar

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Oct 26, 2010, 1:10:18 PM10/26/10
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Dear Smita
Owing to the rules and regulations of this group of eflora, may I
please request you humbly to post these pics separately..... :)
Pankaj

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Smita Raskar

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Oct 26, 2010, 2:19:16 PM10/26/10
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Yeah sorry i made mistake of posting pic like that..i will post it again separately

raju

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Oct 26, 2010, 10:51:00 PM10/26/10
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Dear Smitaji & Pankaj Sir,
From the veg morphology I guess it as Bulbophyllum xylophyllum or B
gracilipes King & Pantling. (Lacking pseudobulb, leaves elliptic-
oblanceolate).

Raju Das
Nature's Foster


request you humbly to post these pics separately..... :)
> Pankaj
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Sharad Kambale

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Oct 26, 2010, 10:59:19 PM10/26/10
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Smita 
     Without any doubt it is Peristylis gardneri

Pankaj Kumar

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Oct 27, 2010, 1:33:39 AM10/27/10
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Dear Mr. Sharad,
Can you please recheck. This is definitely Peristylus densus. Please
do give me the reference that made you so sure. I would be grateful.
Regards
Pankaj

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Sharad Kambale

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Oct 27, 2010, 1:49:07 AM10/27/10
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Leaves if all around the stem It is P. gardneri and to me its look alike.

Pankaj Kumar

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Oct 27, 2010, 1:50:43 AM10/27/10
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:) look at the spur dear...... one major difference between them is
the spur. It had globular tip in gardneri whereas straight in densus.
Pankaj

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Pankaj Kumar

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Oct 27, 2010, 3:12:52 AM10/27/10
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Peristylus densus (Lindl.) Santapau & Kapadia, J. Bombay Nat. Hist.
Soc. 57: 128 (1960).

Syn:
Coeloglossum densum Lindl., Gen. Sp. Orchid. Pl.: 302 (1835).
Gymnadenia tenuis Lindl. ex Wall., Numer. List: 7057 (1832), nom. inval.
Coeloglossum tenue Lindl., Edwards's Bot. Reg. 20: t. 1701 (1834), nom. inval.
Habenaria peristyloides Wight, Icon. Pl. Ind. Orient. 5: 13 (1851), nom. illeg.
Coeloglossum cernuum Rchb.f., Bonplandia (Hannover) 3: 250 (1855).
Platanthera stenostachya Lindl. ex Benth., Hooker's J. Bot. Kew Gard.
Misc. 7: 37 (1855).
Coeloglossum peristyloides Rchb.f., Bonplandia (Hannover) 4: 321 (1856).
Habenaria stenostachya (Lindl. ex Benth.) Benth., Fl. Hongk.: 362 (1861).
Habenaria flagellifera Makino, Bot. Mag. (Tokyo) 6: 48 (1892).
Habenaria neglecta King & Pantl., J. Asiat. Soc. Bengal, Pt. 2, Nat.
Hist. 66: 603 (1897).
Peristylus stenostachyus (Lindl. ex Benth.) Kraenzl., Orchid. Gen. Sp.
1: 502 (1898).
Peristylus neglectus (King & Pantl.) Kraenzl., Orchid. Gen. Sp. 1: 924 (1901).
Habenaria buchneroides Schltr., Repert. Spec. Nov. Regni Veg. Beih. 4:
46 (1919).
Habenaria atramentaria Kraenzl., Repert. Spec. Nov. Regni Veg. 16: 105 (1921).
Habenaria stenostachya subsp. buchneroides (Schltr.) Soó, Ann.
Hist.-Nat. Mus. Natl. Hung. 26: 374 (1929).
Habenaria evrardii Gagnep., Bull. Soc. Bot. France 78: 69 (1931).
Habenaria dankiaensis Gagnep., Bull. Soc. Bot. France 79: 35 (1932).
Peristylus xanthochlorus Blatt. & McCann, J. Bombay Nat. Hist. Soc.
35: 733 (1932).
Glossula passerina Gagnep. in H.Lecomte, Fl. Indo-Chine 6: 627 (1934).
Habenaria hiugensis Ohwi, J. Jap. Bot. 12: 381 (1936).
Habenaria satsumana Ohwi, J. Jap. Bot. 12: 383 (1936).
Peristylus hiugensis Ohwi, J. Jap. Bot. 12: 381 (1936).
Peristylus satsumanus Ohwi, J. Jap. Bot. 12: 383 (1936).
Habenaria passerina (Gagnep.) Tang & F.T.Wang, Acta Phytotax. Sin. 1: 63 (1951).
Peristylus flagellifer (Makino) Ohwi, Fl. Jap.: 344 (1953).
Habenaria flagellifera var. yosiei H.Hara, J. Jap. Bot. 52: 262 (1977).

Specimen attached above: Type - Law 13; Bababoodun hills, Malabar,
Maharastra; K.

Distribution: This is a widespread taxa found from India to South
China, Korea and Japan

Note: Check the THIIN spur. And the number of synonyms depict how
tricky the plant is taxonomically.

To add to this, this plant is new record for Maharastra, hence, I will
recommend Smita to publish it in some journal.
Regards
Pankaj

Peristylus densus TYPE K.jpg

Pankaj Kumar

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Oct 27, 2010, 3:13:04 AM10/27/10
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Peristylus gardneri (Hook.f.) Kraenzl., Orchid. Gen. Sp. 1: 506 (1898).
Syn: Habenaria gardneri Hook.f., Fl. Brit. India 6: 158 (1890).

Specimen attached above: Type - Gand s.n.; Ceylon, Sri Lanka; K.

Distribution: This according to Kew is endemic to Sri Lanka, but Dr.
Almeida has reported it from Maharastra and that too from Sawantwadi
(S.M.Almeida 3150; BLAT). The description given by him clearly
identifies the particular taxa. Earlier it has been reported by Yadav
and Sardesi in Flora of Kolhapur but I dont have the reference.

Check the globular spur.

Regards
Pankaj

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Pankaj Kumar

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Oct 27, 2010, 11:15:48 AM10/27/10
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Dear Smita,
Can you please send me high resolution pic of first picture of
Peristylus labelled as unidentified?
Pankaj

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Pankaj Kumar

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Oct 27, 2010, 3:02:30 PM10/27/10
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JUST FELT LIKE SHARING:

Today till 11:19am I had basically no idea about the identifying
feature of Peristylus gardneri.
By 12:10 pm I had both description as well as the digital herbarium of
the type of both Peristylus gardneri as well as Peristylus densus.
By 12:40 pm I concluded that the pictures shared by Ms. Smita Raskar
was infact Peristylus densus only.
By 12:43 pm, I posted my conclusive mails.
By 8:45 pm I again got an itch to recheck my own identification as I
was unable to see the spur in Smita's first picture so I requested her
for a better resolution picture.
Now its 12:32 am and I am finally confirming that the pictures were
infact Peristylus densus for 100% sure.

Achievements (in 12 long hours):
1. Peristylus densus is a new record for Maharastra
2. I have in depth knowledge of both species but I am sure, I will
again have an itch soon :p

So who is gaining and who is loosing...
Its the contributor of the photograph who is gaining whereas I cant
keep myself away from taxonomic itch !!!! :))

Thanks to Smita Raskar and Mr. Sharad Kambale.

Enjoy.

Pankaj

On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Sharad Kambale <sksha...@gmail.com> wrote:

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Pankaj Kumar

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Oct 27, 2010, 4:04:50 PM10/27/10
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Just to add, finally, I did get an itch and found out that Peristylus
densus is reported from Maharastra before. And by mistake it seems it
has been included under Peristylus peristyloides by Dr. Almeida.
Regards
Pankaj

Pankaj Kumar

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Oct 27, 2010, 4:24:00 PM10/27/10
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New synonym for Peristylus densus

Peristylus densus (Lindl.) Santapau & Kapadia, J. Bombay Nat. Hist.
Soc. 57: 128 (1960).

Basionym:


Coeloglossum densum Lindl., Gen. Sp. Orchid. Pl.: 302 (1835).

Heterotypic Synonym:
Peristylus peristyloides (Wight) Almeida Fl Maharastra 5: 79-80 (2005)


Habenaria peristyloides Wight, Icon. Pl. Ind. Orient. 5: 13 (1851), nom. illeg.

Coeloglossum peristyloides Rchb.f., Bonplandia (Hannover) 4: 321 (1856).

Regards
Pankaj

Balkar Arya

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Oct 28, 2010, 8:58:20 AM10/28/10
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Vow!! Great Pankaj Ji



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Smita Raskar

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Oct 29, 2010, 2:50:51 AM10/29/10
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Thanks for taking so much efforts for acurate id Dear Pankaj
i know u do take efforts and there has no place to doubt when orchid is identified by you
thats the reason why  few days back i have told Ritesh that you are the right person for acurate id of orchids
on which he has rightly named you 'Orchidopedia' :)

Pankaj Kumar

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Oct 29, 2010, 6:17:30 AM10/29/10
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Thanks a lot Ms Smita for the good words. Its all the matter of
taxonomic itch :P....
Pankaj
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