Australian Acacia's

[kiran srivastava]

Also reminds me of the Australian species of Acacia that one sees on hillsides of Mumbai planted by the forest dept. There must be a reason for planting these exotics not just to show a grove of healthy trees...prevention of soil erosion, I presume!

Cheers,

Kiran Srivastava

Mumbai

On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 6:04 PM, rashida atthar <rashid...@hotmail.com> wrote:

This is interesting. Satish pardeshi ji any scientific data on what vegetation was existing before the plantations in these areas of study and are the vegetations /trees that were planted post the Gliricidia plantations and were not able to thrive.?
 
How does this compare to other trees that are planted on mass scale? Does the same phenomenon exist? Some of these questions will lead to some concrete understanding.  
 
regards,
Rashida.

 

 

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 17:27:47 +0530
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:32266] Re: Gliricidia sepium
From: satishp...@gmail.com
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Mr. Yazdy Palia

let me clarify  that it was not an observation of a casual observer but a scientific survey of vegetation types across state of Maharashtra. what ever i have mentioned is the observation of scientific  study in the Gliricidia plantation (plantation done by Forest department) in the district of Ahmednagar, Aurangabad, Akola, Washim and other districts.  note that i  was referring to Gliricidia plantation and not a few distantly placed Gliricidia plants planted as "coffee-shade". i have observed very few plants growing beneath the plantataion right from Monsoon to summer season. for the reference i am providing few images taken during the survey.

Regards

Satish Pardeshi

On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Yazdy Palia <yazdy...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Mr. Satish Pardeshi
If what you say is true, Nothing would ever grow in my farm. I have
thousands of these trees in my 40 acre farm. I grow coffee and pepper
mainly. A lot of my pepper plants are growing on these gliricidia
trees. I do not know how long a time was spent by you in these
gliricidia plantations that you speak about.
There has to be some reason why you do not see vegetation under its
canopy. I wonder about the nature of the soil for starters. If it is
infertile land, you may not see much vegetation in any case. What is
the amount of rainfall that these areas receive? I have seen during my
stay at kaneh and Kamshet that the farmers graze sheep in these
forests. Sheep as you know is enemy number one of any forest. If sheep
grazing is practiced in these plantations, nothing will grow.  A
casual visitor may assume that nothing grows under the canopy.
As far as the fallen leaves are concerned, they only encourage growth
of all plants. If you ever go there and try and move the leaves after
a few rains you will find plenty of fresh feeder roots of all plants
weeds or otherwise encouraged by the humus created by these falling
leaves. The fallen leaves encourages growth of the microorganism that
is part of soil fertility.
There is another malaise of the areas that you mention. The villagers
not only use these trees for firewood but they also take huge amounts
of firewood for the local hotels (small ones) thereby making the area
barren after a few years. Evidence of this could be seen daily in the
morning when any train stops at small stations like palasdhari, monkey
hill on the Lonavala track. They all hang the firewood on the window
grill of the train and unload it at Lonavala.
Gliricidia planted in such barren areas will nourish the soil and make
it fertile within a few years.
Regards
Yazdy.

On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Pardeshi S. <satishp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello all
> Vast areas  and barren hillls are planted with Gliricidia in
> Ahmednagar, Aurangabad, Osmanabad, Pune, Washim and Akola. the tree
> adapt it self to the environment and grows quickly. even when the
> trunk is cut down the coppice grows very fast and forms the green
> cover. the locals used it for fuel wood. i have observed the plants
> growing under the canopy of gliricidia plantation, and would like to
> mention  that very few plants could survive under it. only a  few
> grasses could be found growing under it. the thick layer of dried
> fallen leaves also hinder the growth of other herbs.
>
> Regards
> Satish Pardeshi
>
> On Apr 14, 10:27 am, mani nair <mani.na...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks Rashidaji for the information.
>> Regards,
>> Mani.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 9:44 AM, rashida atthar
>> <rashidaatt...@hotmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >  Mani ji according to the book 'Trees of Mumbai', the scientific name
>> > Gliricidia is derived from the Spanish name  'Mata Raton' meaning mouse
>> > killer. 'Gliris' means mouse and 'Caedo' means killer. Sepium means hedge,
>> > the tree is sometimes planted as a hedge. Further the book mentions that in
>> > cocoa plantations it is grown as a shade tree, when grown as a hedge along
>> > crop fields, it acts as a wind breaker. The bark of the tree is powdered and
>> > mixed with rice/ maize flour baits set up to kill rats.
>>
>> > regards,
>> > Rashida.
>>
>> > ------------------------------
>> > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 00:13:24 +0530
>> > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:32227] Gliricidia sepium
>>
>> > From: mani.na...@gmail.com
>> > To: padi...@gmail.com
>> > CC: yazdypa...@gmail.com; tanaybos...@gmail.com; rashidaatt...@hotmail.com;
>> > chilesat...@gmail.com; srivastava...@gmail.com;
>> > indian...@googlegroups.com
>>
>> > I believe that the bark of the trees is used as a rat poison.
>>
>> > Please clarify.
>>
>> > Regards,
>>
>> > Mani.
>>
>> > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Padmini Raghavan <padi...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> > Dear Yazdyji,
>> >  I have been trying without success to get a sapling of Gliricidia sepium
>> > as we have a rat menace at our  apartment compound. A family of bandicoots
>> > has made itself so well entrenched that their burrows have killed a row of
>> > various coloured Ceasalpinia pulcherrima
>> > adjacent to our compound wall. The one cutting I obtained did not root,
>> > (inspite of it being called Quickstick)!
>> >  My neihbours have tried Rat poison but it has not worked.
>>
>> > In 1960, my uncle had planted a whole lot of these saplings to give shelter
>> > to teak seedlings he had planted on his land, which was on a small hill
>> > behind the farmhouse at a village (Ghunpur) near Nizamabad. He had hoped
>> > that a teak forest would make the summers more bearable.
>>
>> > I too would love to obtain some seeds from you.
>> > Rgds,
>> > Padmini Raghavan.
>> >  On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Yazdy Palia <yazdypa...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> > Dear Tanay,
>> > Just tell me how much you require, I will send you mature pods or
>> > seeds that have been dispersed when the pods burst.
>> > I have a few thousand of these trees. They form excellent green
>> > manure, they nourish the soil by fixing nitrogen and they are very
>> > good standards for cultivating black pepper. Ultimately if and when
>> > you think of cutting them, they give very good timber for small
>> > furniture as good as teak.
>> > The flowers provide plenty of nectar for my honey bees too.
>> > Regards
>> > Yazdy.
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[Avinash Botany]

I also want to shear my experience

        It is not like that, no one can grow in affinities with Acacia auriculiformis i have seen one large population of endemic frog "Malabar Gliding Frogs" on same plant. It deposits Ovum and Sperms on A. auriculiformis's leaves. 

 

[rashida atthar]

I have never understood the reason why Acacias auriculiformis were planted seen rows of them at Uran.  
 
regards,
Rashida.

 

 

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 19:18:26 +0530
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:32273] Australian Acacia's
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