SK 2224 16 October 2019

[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Members,

Location: Pharping, Kathmandu, Nepal

Altitude: 1690 m.

Date: 14 September 2019

Habit : Wild

Euphorbia hypericifolia L. ?

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[dr.rakesh Singh]

So it seems to me . There are species...

E. hypericifolia 

E. hyssopifolia

E. indica 

E. nutans 

E. deccanensis

and even E. hirta

(and there might be others) ........at times all look similar !!

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Not listed in Nepal:

E. hyssopifolia

E. nutans

E. deccanensis

Not matching to E. hirta !

According to elevation looks like matching with Euphorbia indica Lam.

By the way ACFPoN says Euphorbia indica Lam. is the synonym for 

Euphorbia parviflora L. but all other sites listed them separately.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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[Tapas Chakrabarty]

Saroj ji,

Please forward this mail to Balakrishnan Sir and you will get the correct name.

Kind Regards,

Tapas.

[dr.rakesh Singh]

In an earlier post few days ago point was discussed as E. indica is hairy plant . I tried to look but specimen looked glabrous . Leaves on the other hand are not classic E. hypericifolia . Let us wait for more opinions .

On Wed, Oct 16, 2019, 22:05 Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com> wrote:

Forwarding for your information kind attention Balakrishnan Sir.

Thank you Tapas Da !

Saroj Kasaju

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Subject: SK 2224 16 October 2019
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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 2:19 PM
To: efloraindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>, Tapas Chakrabarty <tcha...@gmail.com>

Dear Members,

Location: Pharping, Kathmandu, Nepal

Altitude: 1690 m.

Date: 14 September 2019

Habit : Wild

Euphorbia hypericifolia L. ?

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 2:21 PM
To: efloraindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>, Tapas Chakrabarty <tcha...@gmail.com>

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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From: dr.rakesh Singh <dr.rake...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 7:59 PM
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Cc: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>, Tapas Chakrabarty <tcha...@gmail.com>

So it seems to me . There are species...

E. hypericifolia 

E. hyssopifolia

E. indica 

E. nutans 

E. deccanensis

and even E. hirta

(and there might be others) ........at times all look similar !!

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 10:07 PM
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Not listed in Nepal:

E. hyssopifolia

E. nutans

E. deccanensis

Not matching to E. hirta !

According to elevation looks like matching with Euphorbia indica Lam.

By the way ACFPoN says Euphorbia indica Lam. is the synonym for 

Euphorbia parviflora L. but all other sites listed them separately.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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From: Tapas Chakrabarty <tcha...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 10:16 PM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

[Saroj Kasaju]

Sure Dr. Singh.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you Balakrshnan Sir !

Saroj Kasaju

On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 at 9:14 am, Nambiyath Balakrishnan <npba...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Saroj

Based on the prostrate-decumbent nature and sparse hairiness of leaves and stems, this plant appears more likely to be Euphorbia indica Lam.

E. hypericifolia, E. hyssopifolia and E. indica are all closely related and it is very difficult to clearly demarcate them from photographs.

These species should be subjected to molecular studies to understand their relationships.

Balakrishnan

17 Oct. 2019

[ushadi]

Thank you Dr Balakrishan

for saying this .

Exactly my point

not all plants can be identified based on a few digital photographs

many need further details from dissections and photomicrography

others may need chromatography or other chemical analysis

and still others need molecular DNA/RNA analysis ie genetic studies

thanks again

Regards

Ushadi

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Very true but मेरे बस कि बात नहिँ😁😂! 

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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[ushadi]

true, my sympathies. Saroj ji

but

current state of citizen science requires//demands instant gratification,

even down to not only species level, but to cultivar or var. level

we see it here everyday

I shudder to recall what happens in other groups where the membership revels in passing whats app pictures for definitive ID...

at least we don't do it,

nor do we encourage it.

we have a more serious goal...

ask Garg ji, and look at his dedication,

and Dinesh's...

current state of citizen science requires//demands instant gratification,

even down to not only species level, but to cultivar or var. level

that bothers me

and irks me... no end

but what do

we are living in a world not of Pliny or Darwin, or Newton

who had luxury of pondering ideas

to sit under a tree

or to sail around the world and think...

Regards

Ushadi

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[Saroj Kasaju]

No comments!

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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[ushadi]

do you read Pliny the elder's nature essays?

or Darwin

or .....

Regards

Ushadi

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[Saroj Kasaju]

No ! 

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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