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Satish Phadke

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Sep 14, 2009, 9:49:35 AM9/14/09
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Recently I have observed that more and more pictures of garden plants
are being posted on the group.
One of the initial motive of the group was to learn more and more of
our native flora.
Of course all members are interested in all types of plants.
Some members like me may not be accustomed with the cultivated or
garden variety of plants and may get confused looking at the beautiful
bright flower which is not easily found in nature.
I sincerely request the members to mention whether the plant is a
garden variety or found naturally and where it was observed and in
which season.
Cheers
Dr Satish Phadke

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santhosh kumar es

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Sep 14, 2009, 10:25:23 AM9/14/09
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Dear Members
 
Supporting to Sathish Ji's view it is worth to post more native species than garden cultivars to the group. Of course, everybody is interested on garden plants and also remember that our moto is to get a consolidated database on native plants of India. We need to expand our members list by inviting  more taxonomists to the group. We need to have more representatives from angiosperm taxonomy and not less from other groups. I think we need to start a campaign for the same. Would it be worthy?
 
Santhosh
2009/9/14 Satish Phadke <phadke...@gmail.com>
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singhg .

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Sep 15, 2009, 12:03:44 AM9/15/09
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Satish ji
I fully agree with you, we should be distinguishing between our wild flora and plants in cultivation. I had also mentioned in my earlier posts desirability of mentioning the place, habitat and date on which plant was clicked. This will help a lot in final compilation. There is, however, a catch. Where as cultivated herbs, grown in beds or pota are easily differentiated, trees and shrubs readily become part of landscapess and are difficult to differentiate from natural flora. Same is also sometimes true of self propagating perennials with bulbs are rhizomes. Some recent floras do include these so that a user is able to identify any plant of that area.
 
I suggest we should mention clearly where that plant was growing, something of its lication and surroundings. It will help a lot.
 
 
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Pardeshi S.

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Sep 15, 2009, 5:27:43 AM9/15/09
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Hello all
can any body clarify these terms:
1. wild plant (does it says only endemic plants or Indeginous or
native plants?)
2. what is a term given to aplant which is an exotic but found
naturally growing in the area?
3. difference between wild and weed? (no defination)

thanx and regards
Satish Pardeshi

On Sep 15, 9:03 am, "singhg ." <sin...@sify.com> wrote:
> Satish ji
> I fully agree with you, we should be distinguishing between our wild flora
> and plants in cultivation. I had also mentioned in my earlier posts
> desirability of mentioning the place, habitat and date on which plant was
> clicked. This will help a lot in final compilation. There is, however, a
> catch. Where as cultivated herbs, grown in beds or pota are easily
> differentiated, trees and shrubs readily become part of landscapess and are
> difficult to differentiate from natural flora. Same is also sometimes true
> of self propagating perennials with bulbs are rhizomes. Some recent floras
> do include these so that a user is able to identify any plant of that area.
>
> I suggest we should mention clearly where that plant was growing, something
> of its lication and surroundings. It will help a lot.
>
> Gurcharan Singh
>
> Mobile: 9810359089- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Tabish

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Sep 15, 2009, 6:03:04 AM9/15/09
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We use the following 3 categories at FOI:
Native:
plants native here, found wild.
Naturalized:
Plants known to be not native of our region, but now found
growing wild. This also includes plants brought
here as garden plants and "escaped" cultivation to become
wild.
Introduced:
Plants known to not native of our region, but planted here on
purpose. This includes lot of garden
flowers, and also many trees we have grown up believing to be
India, like Gulmohar, which is native to
Madagascar.
There are some plants which have been known only in cultivation, like
potato. I think it is a matter of one's taste if one likes to call
them native or not.
Personally I don't mind discussing introduced garden flowers. Most of
us get interested in flowers by first looking at garden flowers. And a
lot of garden flowers are also native to India, some of them not
appreciated enough.
Best wishes
- Tabish

Dinesh Valke

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Sep 15, 2009, 6:27:14 AM9/15/09
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Dear friends,
I am putting here what I perceive:
WILD
 • not planted, growing and reproducing at free will, that is - naturally (read lightly: without human interference)
 • could be endemic ... [ Endemic = growing in certain area, in other words: not distributed ]
 • could be native ... [ Native = known to have originated, and not introduced by foreigners ]
do not know the term indigenous related to flora.
 
EXOTIC = flora of foreign land, most of which are found planted in gardens (including home), or along avenues and roadways - typically for ornamental value.
However, if these exotics have escaped the gardens and got adapted to the wilderness, they are known to be naturalized
 
WEED
normally herbs or subshrubs which have a tendency to grow, multiply and colonize, relatively faster than the other flora in that habitat.
all weeds are wild, all wild are not weeds
 
... ready for corrections.
Regards.

kiran srivastava

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Sep 15, 2009, 7:09:22 AM9/15/09
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I had already expressed my view soon after Indiantreepix was established that this site should be
concentrating on wild and native flora. However, several plants have crept out of gardens and firmly taken root in semi-wild areas. Experts on our egroup quickly point out which is which and that is good. Personally, I tend to delete mails referring to garden varieties or cultivars but that solely is my choice and discretion. To digress a bit I had suggested to my building society's garden committee to also plant wild flowers. The hidden agenda was to attract native butterflies and moth species, perhaps even forest insects as we are very close a national park.
 
If one strictly goes by the egroup title, 'Indiantreepix' then only trees and their phylogeny should be discussed but we have expanded our scope to include herbs, shrubs, creepers and even fungi.
 
But this forum is more about what members want and not what a few want and I shall leave it at that. Of course, it is the Moderator/s sole discretion to steer the direction Indiantreepix wants to go.
 
It is also good to know that erudite botanists/taxonomists have agreed to contribute and share their wealth of plant knowledge, and more importantly, their humbleness and patience to answer queries from neophytes like myself.
 
Cheers,
Kiran Srivastava
Mumbai
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