Boraginaceae week: Unidentified one from Hemis Ladakh

[Prashant Awale]

Dear Friends,

Seen this herb near "Hemis Monastary" Ladakh.  Leaves were  hairy.

Date/Time: 15-09-2011 / 01:30PM
Location: Hemis Monastary, Ladakh
Plant Habit: Herb
Habitat: Wild, seen near the rocky soil.
Flower size: Approx 4mm across,
Family: Boraginaceae.

I had posted this earlier. Response from Gurcharan Singh ji: "Boraginaceae, identification not possible without fruits, if the were not visible could be Myosotis alpestris". Thanks Gurcharan Singh ji for possible ID and the inputs.

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Prashant

[amit chauhan]

looks like some Cynoglossum sp

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Two fruits are seen, more clearly in second photograph: one at extreme right above the flower and one near the upper margin in between the flowers.  Prashant ji could you crop these from original photograph and upload for clarity.  From these it is clearly not Myosotis. 

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[jmgarg1]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:      

“looks like some Cynoglossum sp” from Amit Chauhan ji.

 

“Two fruits are seen, more clearly in second photograph: one at extreme right above the flower and one near the upper margin in between the flowers.  Prashant ji could you crop these from original photograph and upload for clarity. From these it is clearly not Myosotis. ” from Singh ji.

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Can yellow ring points towards some ‎Hackelia species ?

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A reply from another thread:

"Boraginaceae, identification not possible without fruits, if the were not visible could be Myosotis alpestris.

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From: Prashant Awale <pka...@gmail.com>
Date: 6 June 2012 at 20:58
Subject: [efloraofindia:118872] Boraginaceae week: Unidentified one from Hemis Ladakh
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[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

A reply from another thread:

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Chadwell ji.

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From: C CHADWELL
Date: 29 September 2016 at 02:43
Subject: Re: Fwd: [efloraofindia:118872] Boraginaceae week: Unidentified one from Hemis Ladakh
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

I agree that without fruits (typically nutlets) some Boraginaceae can be difficult.

My first thoughts are an Eritrichium rather than Myosotis asiatica (syn. Myosotis alpestris subsp. asiatica)

which is the only Myosotis recorded from Ladakh.

I seem to detect green, immature fruits in two of the images, showing bristles.  If so, this means will be an Eritrichium -

of which 6 are recorded for Ladakh: E.canum, E.fruticulosum, E.hemisphaericum, E.patens, E.thymifolium

and E.villosum; it is not E.villosum (syn. E.nanum subsp. villosum) or E.hemisphaericum.

Eritrichium, according to 'Flowers of the Himalaya' have ovoid nutlets, 3-angled with winged margins, with or

without hooked bristles.

Will need to check out the others.

I must locate my copy of Boraginaceae of Pakistan and see if this makes things clearer.

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

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[J.M. Garg]

Eritrichium fruticulosum Klotzsch ??
Thank you
Saroj Kasaju

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Saroj ji.

Yes, appears close as per GBIF specimens:

Specimen 1

Specimen 2

Also does not match with other species as mentioned by Chris ji, as per GBIF:

https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?country=IN&taxon_key=7295228

https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?country=IN&taxon_key=7295228

https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?taxon_key=7294921

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[Prashant Awale]

Thanks Saroj ji and Garg Ji for possible ID.

Regards

Prashant

[Saroj Kasaju]

My pleasure !

Thank you Prashant ji !

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

I think it appears close to the POWO specimen and GBIF specimen of Eritrichium spathulatum (Benth.) C.B.Clarke (listed in Ladakh checklist by L. Klimeš and B. Dickoré as published in 2009).

Kindly confirm or otherwise pl. 

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[Saroj Kasaju]

More close to Eritrichium canum var. fruticulosum (Klotzsch) Y.J.Nasir ??

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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[J.M. Garg]

I think different as per GBIF specimens:

Specimen 1

Specimen 2

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Miroslav ji

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From: Miroslav Dvorský
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2022 at 16:20
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:118872] Boraginaceae week: Unidentified one from Hemis Ladakh
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This is some Eritrichium, could be E. spathulatum, but without fruits it is hard to tell the species.

Miroslav

út 5. 7. 2022 v 12:44 odesílatel J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> napsal:

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