ID of a fruiting tree

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Dinesh Valke

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Jan 20, 2009, 4:43:46 AM1/20/09
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Hello friends,
 
I would like to know ID of this tree ... attached 2 photographs ... both of the same tree at Tungareshwar Wildlife Sanctuary shot between Dec 06, 2008 and Jan 17, 2009.
 
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Kenneth Greby

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Jan 20, 2009, 5:59:14 AM1/20/09
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 Maybe Gmelina arborea? (Not positive...)

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Dinesh Valke

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Jan 20, 2009, 7:10:38 AM1/20/09
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Ken, thank you very much ... I will work on it and will be back.
Regards.

sweedle cerejo

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Jan 20, 2009, 11:05:01 AM1/20/09
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Hi!

    I think this is Lannea sp.


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Sweedle


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satish phadke

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Jan 20, 2009, 12:38:37 PM1/20/09
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I also think it to be Lannea coromandelica(Moi)
Satish
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Dinesh Valke

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Jan 20, 2009, 12:44:51 PM1/20/09
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... I am afraid it is not Lannea or Gmelina species.
Regards.

Dinesh Valke

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Jan 20, 2009, 12:50:41 PM1/20/09
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satish phadke

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Jan 21, 2009, 12:49:48 AM1/21/09
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Sorry..............it just slipped through. I meant to say the pods look like those of SALAI (Boswelia serrata) and not Moi(Lannea)Look in the attached picture
Satish

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Dinesh Valke

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Jan 21, 2009, 3:55:07 AM1/21/09
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... the fruits look different ... in general is quite close.
Just in case, a lone torn leaf and trunk can help us get closer ... here are its photos.
Regards.
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Kenneth Greby

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Jan 21, 2009, 7:57:34 AM1/21/09
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 I agree that it is not Gmelina. I had thought that the fruit shown might be flower buds. Sorry for the confusion.

 I do not know this tree.


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Yazdy Palia

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Jan 21, 2009, 12:56:51 PM1/21/09
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Dear Friends,
It could be silk cotton. The bark looks like it so does the fruits
(pods). To me it looks like the silk cotton pods and not fruit.
I am not sure though.
regards
Yazdy Palia.

Dinesh Valke

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Jan 21, 2009, 1:21:44 PM1/21/09
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Yazdy, those fruits are no longer than 2 cm.
 
None of these silk cottons.

Dinesh Valke

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Jan 22, 2009, 1:41:29 PM1/22/09
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Hello friends,
This plant turns out to be Hymenodictyon obovatum ... many thanks to my botanist friend - Hemanth Tripathi !!!
Perhaps endemic to Western Ghats of India, rarely found in the Eastern Ghats.
And could be also native to Madagascar.
 
Elsewhere, it could be H. orixense (popular synonym: H. excelsum) which is similar in many aspects; however a larger tree, rounded canopy, reflexed capsules instead of the the erect in case if H. obovata.
 
 
Commonly known as: obovate-leaved bridal-couch plant
 • Kannada: ಬೋಗಿಮರ bogimara, ಹೀರೆಮರ hiremara
 • Konkani: सिरीद sirid
 • Malayalam: കിലുങ്ങിമരം kilungimaram
 • Marathi: कडवा शिरीद kadva shirid
 • Tamil: மலைத்தணக்கு malai-t-tanakku
 • Telugu: dudippa

References:
1) Forest Flora of Hyderabad State by M Sharfuddin Khan
http://forest.ap.nic.in/Forest%20Flora%20of%20Andhra%20Pradesh/Flora%20by%20M%20Sharfuddin%20Khan/Botanical%20Names/Hymenodictyon%20obovatum.htm
2) Further Flowers of Sahyadri by Shrikant Ingalhalikar
3) Flora of Eastern Ghats by by T Pullaiah, K Sri Ramamurthy, a Google Book
http://books.google.com/books?id=SZifARJXLJgC&amp;pg=PA170&amp;lpg=PA170&amp;dq=Hymenodictyon+obovatum&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=FDYPX650e0&amp;sig=LNHiCKm2B1dKwvmm89ChV2YOPLo&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;resnum=7&amp;ct=result#PPA170,M1

 
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I wiil be happy if any of or Telugu friends can provide me with *dudippa* in native script.
 
 
Many many thanks and regards to all.

Dinesh Valke

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Jan 22, 2009, 1:50:51 PM1/22/09
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... just in case you wantt to visit the pictures of this ID anytime, now or future:
 
Regards.

Kenneth Greby

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Jan 22, 2009, 2:02:34 PM1/22/09
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 Glad it was finally ID'ed! To what family does it belong?


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Barry Stock

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Jan 22, 2009, 2:25:56 PM1/22/09
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After some searching I discovered it's in the Rubiaceae.

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Pravin Kawale

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Jan 23, 2009, 3:07:52 AM1/23/09
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Hi, Dinesh
I have came across the same tree
today at Sagargad Alibag and  could manage to photographed
the dried leaf and capsule type fruits but when I gone through
the ref.book (Forest Trees of South India, by S.G.Neginhal )
I noticed that it is a H.orixense (Mar.name:Bhorsal) instead of
H.obovatum.
As per above said ref.book H.obovatum"s leavs are suddenly
acuminate while H.orixense has broadly ovate leavs
Thanks
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Dinesh Valke

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Jan 23, 2009, 8:01:26 AM1/23/09
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You must be correct, Pravin.
My friend Hemanth (botanist) too strongly maintains it to be H. excelsum (it is yet a popular name, H. orixense is current).
 
Finally, Hymenodictyon orixense !!!
 
Thanks Pravin for validating; thanks to all.
Regards.
 
PS: Pravin, does this भोरसळ make sense as bhorsal ?

Dinesh Valke

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Jan 27, 2009, 11:54:01 AM1/27/09
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Dear Pravin, re-surfacing this thread, requesting you to validate the Marathi name bhorsal -- would it be भोरसळ ?
 
Besides bhorsal, other Marathi names found to be appropriate are: कंबळ kambal, and a generic name कुडा kuda.
Regards.

Dinesh Valke

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Jan 27, 2009, 12:40:46 PM1/27/09
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Many thanks Pravin.
That was a great help.
 
Pravin wrote:
Hi, Dinesh
Mostly Bhorsal भोरसाल  because the bark of tree
used as a quinine (a medicine on fever)
One more local Mar.name is Dondru
Thanks
 Regards.
 
 
 
 
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Hi, Dinesh
Mostly Bhorsal भोरसाल  because the bark of tree
used as a quinine (a medicine on fever)
One more local Mar.name is Dondru
Thanks
 
 
 
 
 
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Dinesh Valke

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Jan 27, 2009, 12:54:54 PM1/27/09
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Again a help requested, dear Pravin ... would dondru be spelt दोंद्रु ?

JM Garg

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May 12, 2019, 3:53:21 AM5/12/19
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These fruits are of Hymenodictyon obovatum and not of Hymenodictyon orixense as discussed in another thread.

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These fruits may be of Hymenodictyon obovatum and not of Hymenodictyon orixense as discussed in another thread.

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