Identification Request AR 200

raman

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Oct 26, 2022, 4:00:10 AM10/26/22

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I see these trees in streets of Malleshwaram, Bangalore.

Odd pinnate leaves and grey bark.

Raman

J.M. Garg

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Oct 26, 2022, 6:28:24 AM10/26/22

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Tried, but unable to reach anywhere.

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raman

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Oct 26, 2022, 9:15:34 AM10/26/22

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Thanks Garg ji.

They are tall trees, and local people say that its a forest tree, and it flowers in Mar/Apr.

Its puzzling for me for weeks now. I have seen around 10-12 trees.

The leaflets are somewhat wavy, and very smooth, around 7/9 leaflets.

The bark is grey and shiny in some trees.

They are somewhat like ailanthus (or like coconut) where there are no leaves or branches close to 15/20 ft from the ground.

I will wait for somebodyelse to throw some light.

Raman

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Oct 26, 2022, 9:20:06 AM10/26/22

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Thanks, Raman ji, for further details.

Flowers/ fruits, when they come, may be of help.

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J.M. Garg

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Oct 29, 2022, 4:58:09 AM10/29/22

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Hi, Raman ji,

Can you post high res. images?

It may give better clues for id.

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Saroj Kasaju

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Oct 29, 2022, 11:45:35 AM10/29/22

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Magnolia champaca ??

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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J.M. Garg

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Oct 29, 2022, 9:30:41 PM10/29/22

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I do not think so.

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Mahadeswara

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Oct 29, 2022, 11:42:04 PM10/29/22

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Saroj ji,

Definitely not M.champaca .

M.champaca is a very common tree in Mysore & Bangalore and leaves are quite different.

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raman

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Oct 30, 2022, 2:27:17 AM10/30/22

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Not magnolia the bark is so different and leaves more wavy and turns yellow when falling

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raman

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Oct 30, 2022, 2:28:14 AM10/30/22

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canopy

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raman

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Oct 30, 2022, 2:31:06 AM10/30/22

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Garg ji,

I posted 2 hires images.

I meant magnolia leaves are more wavy and turns yellow when falling.

The younger leaves are more reddish in these trees.

I haven't taken my camera, so its difficult to take a picture with phone.

Raman

J.M. Garg

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Oct 30, 2022, 2:51:40 AM10/30/22

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Thanks, Raman ji.

I tried again but failed.

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raman

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Nov 2, 2022, 4:28:57 AM11/2/22

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Garg ji,

I got this information from Dr Shankar Rao IISc:

The trees you have seen in Malleshwaram could be Lonchocarpus minimiflorus Donn.Sm. (Leguminosae).

I can confirm this when the tree comes to flower in summer. You can see the flowers in Flora of Peninsular India website.

I have also seen Lonchocarpus, but they were very short trees.

Looks like this one. I will verify it when the flower comes

The one i have is this:

Senegal Lilac Tree : Lonchocarpus sericeus, (Poir.) Kunth ex DC

240.

Raman

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Nov 2, 2022, 5:00:25 AM11/2/22

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Thanks, Raman ji

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J.M. Garg

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Nov 3, 2022, 10:53:24 AM11/3/22

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Yes, appears close to your earlier observations at Request Tree ID 51 – Bangalore – RA – Is it some variant of quickstick (Gliridicia)?

But we have to find out the keys/ differences whether it is Lonchocarpus minimiflorus Donn.Sm. or Lonchocarpus sericeus (Poir.) Kunth ex DC

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J.M. Garg

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Nov 3, 2022, 11:12:28 AM11/3/22

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Going by the images and description of both species in the book link, it may be Lonchocarpus minimiflorus

The following may also be the same:

Request Tree ID 51 – Bangalore – RA – Is it some variant of quickstick (Gliridicia)?

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J.M. Garg

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Nov 3, 2022, 11:22:06 AM11/3/22

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I am getting confused.

It is also possible that all our observations are of Lonchocarpus sericeus (Poir.) Kunth ex DC only as per specimens at POWO 1 (Lonchocarpus sericeus) and POWO 2 (Lonchocarpus minimiflorus Donn.Sm.).

I will keep all these as Lonchocarpus sericeus (Poir.) Kunth ex DC for the time being.

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raman

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Nov 3, 2022, 11:57:30 AM11/3/22

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Thanks Garg ji, for the deep dive.

Raman

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