Hibiscus ¿ hispidissimus ? at Pachmarhi :: 18 SEP 13 :: DV

[Dinesh Valke]

Pachmarhi ... about 3600 feet ft asl Date / Time: 18 SEP 13 at 08:37 AM ... Altitude: about 3568 ft asl

Hibiscus ¿ hispidissimus ? ... (family: Malvaceae) Dear friends, please validate the ID; Habit: sub-shrub, standing about a metre high Habitat: found growing in wild scrub, in town I am confused whether or not H. hispidissimus.

Regards. Dinesh

[Balkar Singh]

Excellent Capture.....

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Dr Balkar Singh
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[Nayan Singh]

Dear Dinesh ji,

yes it looks like Hibiscus hispidissimus.

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Nayan.

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[Dinesh Valke]

Thank you very much Balkar ji for the appreciation.

Many many thanks Nayan ji for having same thoughts about the ID.

Regards.

Dinesh

[Shrikant Ingalhalikar]

H. radiatus. Pls note 8-10 forked inv bracts. H. hispidissimus is armed clinber. Regards,

[Dinesh Valke]

Thank you very much Shrikant ji for the clarity and the ID.

Regards.

Dinesh

[Dinesh Valke]

Shrikant ji ... on going through references for H. radiatus, the flower is consistently shown in dark pink colour. Please help. Any chance of H. surattensis ?

Regards.

Dinesh

[Shrikant Ingalhalikar]

Involucral bracts forked or with leafy appendages is the key character for H. radiatus and this can be clearly seen in your pictures. Pls refrain from photo tallying from internet. The dark pink flower should be H. sabdariffa

[Dinesh Valke]

Many thanks Shrikant ji for clarifications.

From what I read in Malvaceae of southern peninsular India ... H. radiatus comes in both colours (yellow as well as dark pink); H. sabdariffa comes in yellow with purplish centre, and I will try to understand about the involucre bracts found in various species and return to this post.

Regards.

Dinesh

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:      

yes it looks like Hibiscus hispidissimus. Regards  Nayan

H. radiatus. Pls note 8-10 forked inv bracts. H. hispidissimus is armed clinber. Regards, Shrikant

Shrikant ji ... on going through references for H. radiatus, the flower is consistently shown in dark pink colour. Please help. Any chance of H. surattensis ? Regards. Dinesh

Involucral bracts forked or with leafy appendages is the key character for H. radiatus and this can be clearly seen in your pictures. Pls refrain from photo tallying from internet. The dark pink flower should be H. sabdariffa- from Shrikant ji.

Many thanks Shrikant ji for clarifications. From what I read in Malvaceae of southern peninsular India ... H. radiatus comes in both colours (yellow as well as dark pink); H. sabdariffa comes in yellow with purplish centre, and I will try to understand about the involucre bracts found in various species and return to this post. Regards. Dinesh

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Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:     

yes it looks like Hibiscus hispidissimus. Regards  Nayan

H. radiatus. Pls note 8-10 forked inv bracts. H. hispidissimus is armed clinber. Regards, Shrikant

Shrikant ji ... on going through references for H. radiatus, the flower is consistently shown in dark pink colour. Please help. Any chance of H. surattensis ? Regards. Dinesh

Involucral bracts forked or with leafy appendages is the key character for H. radiatus and this can be clearly seen in your pictures. Pls refrain from photo tallying from internet. The dark pink flower should be H. sabdariffa- from Shrikant ji.

Many thanks Shrikant ji for clarifications. From what I read in Malvaceae of southern peninsular India ... H. radiatus comes in both colours (yellow as well as dark pink); H. sabdariffa comes in yellow with purplish centre, and I will try to understand about the involucre bracts found in various species and return to this post. Regards. Dinesh

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as Hibiscus sabdariffa ?

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as Hibiscus sabdariffa ?

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[J.M. Garg]

This is Hibiscus hispidissimus Griff. as per keys and details herein. 

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[Dinesh Valke]

Many thanks Gurcharan ji for resurfacing the query.

Thanks very much Garg ji for the ID.

Regards.

Dinesh

[Dinesh Valke]

Hello Garg ji,

The ID of this observation is corrected to Hibiscus furcatus Willd. ... not the later homonym Hibiscus furcatus Roxb., synonym of Hibiscus hispidissimus Griff.

ID help by Russell Barrett at iNaturalist.

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Dinesh

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Dinesh ji,

But POWO shows Hibiscus furcatus Willd. as an unplaced name. 

I think it may have implications on all the posts at
https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/05/hibiscus-hispidissimus/

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[Dinesh Valke]

Yes, correct, Garg ji.

Hibiscus furcatus Willd. seems to have been overlooked and neglected.

iNaturalist which closely follows POWO, also had not placed H. furcatus Willd. in their database ... However, very recently, the name has been included.

Russell Barrett has managed to get the taxon included, it can be seen in my observation in iNaturalist ... a little bit of reasoning / justification is added in my observation about the distinctness of the species. I will update in this post, when Russell's phylogeny paper - related to  H. furcatus Willd. gets released.

All posts incorporated in https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/05/hibiscus-hispidissimus/ will not get affected ... Only those that are erect sub-shrubs are going to be Hibiscus furcatus Willd.The vigorous ramblers stay on page as they are.

Regards.

Dinesh

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Dinesh ji, for the details. 

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