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Saroj Kasaju

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Jun 22, 2018, 2:41:47 AM6/22/18

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Dear Members,

Location: Jaubari, Sandakphu, India

Date: 13 May 2018

Altitude: 10000 ft.

Habit : Wild

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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J.M. Garg

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Jun 22, 2018, 9:32:29 AM6/22/18

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Superb details. Thanks, Saroj ji

Saroj Kasaju

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Jun 22, 2018, 9:55:38 AM6/22/18

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Thank you Mr. Garg

Saroj Kasaju

J.M. Garg

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Jun 26, 2018, 1:58:53 AM6/26/18

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Forwarding again for id pl

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Nidhan Singh

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Jun 26, 2018, 4:34:27 AM6/26/18

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I think this may be any Euonymous sp.

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Jun 26, 2018, 4:58:29 AM6/26/18

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Thanks, Nidhan ji

On Tue 26 Jun, 2018, 2:04 PM Nidhan Singh, <nidhans...@gmail.com> wrote:

I think this may be any Euonymous sp.

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Forwarding again for id pl

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Dear Members,

Location: Jaubari, Sandakphu, India
Date: 13 May 2018
Altitude: 10000 ft.
Habit : Wild

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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Jun 26, 2018, 6:01:39 AM6/26/18

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Thank you Dr. Singh for the lead.

Euonymus porphyreus Loes. ???

Saroj Kasaju

Tapas Chakrabarty

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Jun 26, 2018, 2:19:41 PM6/26/18

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This is certainly Euonymus.

The flowers are 4-merous as well as 5-merous in the same image.

This is matching with Euonymus theifolius Wall. ex M.A. Lawson. The flowers are recorded to be 4-merous in literature!

Wonderful capture. The altitude is also almost matching.

Please check.

J.M. Garg

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Jun 26, 2018, 4:08:53 PM6/26/18

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Thanks, Tapas ji

Saroj Kasaju

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Jun 27, 2018, 1:10:20 PM6/27/18

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Dear Tapas Sir,

I am still not sure about the ID and think that it is more close to Euonymus porphyreus Loes.

keeping in mind length of Peduncle and flower color. Enclosing links for your kind reference .

https://www.google.com.np/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fc1.staticflickr.com%2F9%2F8263%2F8769571545_5236e011e6_b.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2F30879509%40N04%2F8769571545&docid=hnHIul24Y4px-M&tbnid=v2_uEWw5UPRssM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwjxrJzCqfTbAhUOdCsKHcmdAIQQMwguKAAwAA..i&w=1024&h=762&itg=1&bih=508&biw=1093&q=Euonymus%20porphyreus%20description&ved=0ahUKEwjxrJzCqfTbAhUOdCsKHcmdAIQQMwguKAAwAA&iact=mrc&uact=8

http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=242422367

http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=200012819

However, not much reference is found in the web.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

Tapas Chakrabarty

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Jun 27, 2018, 2:18:39 PM6/27/18

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Euonymus porphyreus Loes. = E. frigidus

Euonymus frigidus Wall. ex Roxb., Fl. Ind. 2: 409. 1824; Lawson in Hook. f., Fl. Brit. India 1: 611. 1875; Long in Grierson & Long, Fl. Bhutan 2(1): 119. 1991; Ramamurthy in N.P. Singh et al., Fl. India 5: 99. 2000.

Key to the varieties

1a.	Leaves oblong-elliptic to oblanceolate	4.1. var. frigidus
b.	Leaves willow-like (narrowly lanceolate-oblong)	4.2. var. elongatus

4.1. var. frigidus

Nep.: Chure lahara.

Evergreen shrubs or trees up to 4 m high; branchlets smooth. Leaves distant, coriaceous, oblong-elliptic to oblaneolate, 4 - 13 x 1.5 - 3.5 cm, acuminate at apex, cuneate at base, irregularly serrulate along margins; lateral nerves 8 – 12 per side, smooth beneath; petioles 5 – 11 mm long. Cymes axillary, slender, 4 - 9 cm long, usually 7-flowered. Flowers 4-merous, 5 - 6 mm in diam. Calyx lobes ca 0.8 mm long. Petals brownish-crimson, broadly ovate or suborbicular, 2.5 – 3 mm long. Anthers sessile, minute, 1-celled. Capsules subglobose, fleshy, 1 - 2.5 cm across, red on ripening, weakly 4-lobed, with 4 short rounded spur-like wings between lobes at base.

Fl. & Fr. : May – Oct.

In moist broad-leaved and Hemlock/Rhododendron forests; 600 - 3100 m.

Specimens examined: Bakhim, 19 May 1960, Hara et al. 6580 (CAL). Yakche, 16 Oct. 1869, Clarke 10023 B (CAL). Rongpo, May 1878, King s.n., herb. acc. no. 85257 (CAL).

4. 2. var. elongatus Cowan and Cowan, Trees N. Bengal 35. 1929. Euonymus frigidus forma elongatus (Cowan & Cowan) Hara in Fl. E. Himal. 89. 1966.

Differs from var. frigidus in its very narrow willow-like 7 – 16 x 0.6 – 2 cm, acuminate, more distantly serrulate leaves.

Fl. & Fr. : May – August.

In scrubs and mossy coniferous forests; 2200 - 3000 m.

Specimens examined: Tingloo, 3 Aug. 1862, T. Anderson 379 (CAL). Lachen, 17 May 1945, K. Biswas 6636 (CAL).

Note.: Leaves become narrower at higher altitudes.

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E. frigidus - 2.jpg

E. frigidus - 3.jpg

Tapas Chakrabarty

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Jun 27, 2018, 2:28:02 PM6/27/18

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Now see E. theifolius and please see the conspicuously raised lateral nerves similar to your image. Now decide.

E. theifolius.jpg

E. theifolius - 2.jpg

Tapas Chakrabarty

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Jun 27, 2018, 3:45:51 PM6/27/18

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Please check at the following link for the original material of E. porphyreus. Here it seems to be a distinct species, showing one collection from Nepal.

Now if you think that this is E. porphyreus then this should be a new record for India!

Please enlarge the images by clicking on them and then decide.

data.rbge.org.uk/search/herbarium/?family=&genus=Euonymus&species=porphyreus&coll_name=&coll_num=&barcode=&country_name=&region=&major_taxon=&cfg=vherb.cfg&keywords=

J.M. Garg

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Jun 28, 2018, 12:25:29 AM6/28/18

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Thanks, Tapas ji, for the wonderful inputs.

J.M. Garg

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Jul 3, 2018, 1:57:09 AM7/3/18

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E. theifolius.jpg

E. theifolius - 2.jpg

Tapas Chakrabarty

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Jul 3, 2018, 6:37:37 AM7/3/18

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Garg ji,

The identification issue is over. This is Euonymus porphyreus Loes. as pointed out by Saroj ji and this forms a new record for India as pointed out by me. After seeing the original material of this species in the Edinburgh Herbarium, I confirmed the conclusion of Saroj ji.

Next issue is formal reporting of the species from India and this can be done by Saroj ji. If he has collected specimen then he can write a good note (paper) on it and publish in Journal of Japanese Botany or Edinburgh Journal of Botany or to any other suitable Journal.

If he has not collected any specimen, then he has to go back to the exact locality and collect specimens.

Looking forward for a good publication on this by Saroj ji.

Regards.

J.M. Garg

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Jul 3, 2018, 8:31:30 AM7/3/18

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Thanks, Tapas ji

Saroj Kasaju

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Jul 3, 2018, 9:28:28 AM7/3/18

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Thank you for the ID validation tapas sir.

Blunder, no specimen.

Saroj Kasaju

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Jul 3, 2018, 9:44:32 AM7/3/18

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Dear Tapas Sir,

Some differences I would like to bring to your notice.

http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=112340

http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/kew-2803564

http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/a1b9b0ae3bd9af27fb53d95adbe35ed8/synonym/7a54617cb440fd934202050768e0fdbc

Image posted in the efloras of Euonymus frigidus Wall. does not seem matching.

with my post..

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

J.M. Garg

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Jul 13, 2018, 5:07:03 AM7/13/18

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Thanks a lot, tapas ji and Saroj ji, for the interesting discussions.

After perusing all details discussed in this thread, I also feel it is more closer to Euonymus frigidus Wall. syn. Euonymus porphyreus Loes.

http://www.hkolster.nl/home-nl/+fotobestanden/+euonymusfrigidus1.htm

http://www.hkolster.nl/home-nl/+fotobestanden/+euonymusfrigidus.htm

http://www.asianflora.com/Celastraceae/Euonymus-frigidus.htm

http://www.hkolster.nl/home-nl/+fotobestanden/+euonymusfrigiduselongatus.htm

Images at eflora seems to show it in different condition and time period.

On 3 July 2018 at 19:14, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Tapas Sir,

Thanks, Tapas ji

Thanks, Nidhan ji

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Jul 13, 2018, 5:30:12 AM7/13/18

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It was a great experience sharing knowledge with experts

and gaining knowledge. Wish I could have brought the specimen.

Thank you Tapas sir once again.

Saroj Kasaju

Thanks, Tapas ji

Thanks, Nidhan ji

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Saroj Kasaju

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Dear Mr. Garg,

This has not appeared in the site yet.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 4:04 PM Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Tabish,

Forwarding once again to be included in the FoI. Requests
to go through the older mails.

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Saroj Kasaju

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 12:26 PM
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Dear Members,

Location: Jaubari, Sandakphu, India
Date: 13 May 2018
Altitude: 10000 ft.
Habit : Wild

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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Superb details. Thanks, Saroj ji

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
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Thank you Mr. Garg

Saroj Kasaju

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
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Forwarding again for id pl

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I think this may be any Euonymous sp.

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Thanks, Nidhan ji

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 3:46 PM
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Thank you Dr. Singh for the lead.

Euonymus porphyreus Loes. ???

Saroj Kasaju

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From: Tapas Chakrabarty <tcha...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 12:04 AM

To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
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This is certainly Euonymus.
The flowers are 4-merous as well as 5-merous in the same image.
This is matching with Euonymus theifolius Wall. ex M.A. Lawson. The flowers are recorded to be 4-merous in literature!
Wonderful capture. The altitude is also almost matching.
Please check.

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 1:53 AM
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Thanks, Tapas ji

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 10:55 PM
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Dear Tapas Sir,

I am still not sure about the ID and think that it is more close to Euonymus porphyreus Loes.
keeping in mind length of Peduncle and flower color. Enclosing links for your kind reference .

https://www.google.com.np/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fc1.staticflickr.com%2F9%2F8263%2F8769571545_5236e011e6_b.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2F30879509%40N04%2F8769571545&docid=hnHIul24Y4px-M&tbnid=v2_uEWw5UPRssM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwjxrJzCqfTbAhUOdCsKHcmdAIQQMwguKAAwAA..i&w=1024&h=762&itg=1&bih=508&biw=1093&q=Euonymus%20porphyreus%20description&ved=0ahUKEwjxrJzCqfTbAhUOdCsKHcmdAIQQMwguKAAwAA&iact=mrc&uact=8

http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=242422367

http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=200012819

However, not much reference is found in the web.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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From: Tapas Chakrabarty <tcha...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 12:03 AM

To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
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Euonymus porphyreus Loes. = E. frigidus
Euonymus frigidus Wall. ex Roxb., Fl. Ind. 2: 409. 1824; Lawson in Hook. f., Fl. Brit. India 1: 611. 1875; Long in Grierson & Long, Fl. Bhutan 2(1): 119. 1991; Ramamurthy in N.P. Singh et al., Fl. India 5: 99. 2000.

Key to the varieties

1a.

Leaves oblong-elliptic to oblanceolate

4.1. var. frigidus

b.

Leaves willow-like (narrowly lanceolate-oblong)

4.2. var. elongatus

4.1. var. frigidus

Nep.: Chure lahara.

Evergreen shrubs or trees up to 4 m high; branchlets smooth. Leaves distant, coriaceous, oblong-elliptic to oblaneolate, 4 - 13 x 1.5 - 3.5 cm, acuminate at apex, cuneate at base, irregularly serrulate along margins; lateral nerves 8 – 12 per side, smooth beneath; petioles 5 – 11 mm long. Cymes axillary, slender, 4 - 9 cm long, usually 7-flowered. Flowers 4-merous, 5 - 6 mm in diam. Calyx lobes ca 0.8 mm long. Petals brownish-crimson, broadly ovate or suborbicular, 2.5 – 3 mm long. Anthers sessile, minute, 1-celled. Capsules subglobose, fleshy, 1 - 2.5 cm across, red on ripening, weakly 4-lobed, with 4 short rounded spur-like wings between lobes at base.

Fl. & Fr. : May – Oct.

In moist broad-leaved and Hemlock/Rhododendron forests; 600 - 3100 m.

Specimens examined: Bakhim, 19 May 1960, Hara et al. 6580 (CAL). Yakche, 16 Oct. 1869, Clarke 10023 B (CAL). Rongpo, May 1878, King s.n., herb. acc. no. 85257 (CAL).

4. 2. var. elongatus Cowan and Cowan, Trees N. Bengal 35. 1929. Euonymus frigidus forma elongatus (Cowan & Cowan) Hara in Fl. E. Himal. 89. 1966.

Differs from var. frigidus in its very narrow willow-like 7 – 16 x 0.6 – 2 cm, acuminate, more distantly serrulate leaves.

Fl. & Fr. : May – August.

In scrubs and mossy coniferous forests; 2200 - 3000 m.

Specimens examined: Tingloo, 3 Aug. 1862, T. Anderson 379 (CAL). Lachen, 17 May 1945, K. Biswas 6636 (CAL).

Note.: Leaves become narrower at higher altitudes.

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From: Tapas Chakrabarty <tcha...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 12:12 AM

To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>, Nidhan Singh <nidhans...@gmail.com>, efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, Tabish Qureshi <tab...@gmail.com>

Now see E. theifolius and please see the conspicuously raised lateral nerves similar to your image. Now decide.

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From: Tapas Chakrabarty <tcha...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 1:30 AM

To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>, Nidhan Singh <nidhans...@gmail.com>, efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, Tabish Qureshi <tab...@gmail.com>

Please check at the following link for the original material of E. porphyreus. Here it seems to be a distinct species, showing one collection from Nepal.
Now if you think that this is E. porphyreus then this should be a new record for India!
Please enlarge the images by clicking on them and then decide.

data.rbge.org.uk/search/herbarium/?family=&genus=Euonymus&species=porphyreus&coll_name=&coll_num=&barcode=&country_name=&region=&major_taxon=&cfg=vherb.cfg&keywords=

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 10:10 AM
To: Tapas Chakrabarty <tcha...@gmail.com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>, Nidhan Singh <nidhans...@gmail.com>, efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, Tabish Qureshi <tab...@gmail.com>

Thanks, Tapas ji, for the wonderful inputs.

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 11:41 AM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, Nidhan Singh <nidhans...@gmail.com>, Tapas Chakrabarty <tcha...@gmail.com>

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From: Tapas Chakrabarty <tcha...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 4:22 PM
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>, efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, Nidhan Singh <nidhans...@gmail.com>

Garg ji,
The identification issue is over. This is Euonymus porphyreus Loes. as pointed out by Saroj ji and this forms a new record for India as pointed out by me. After seeing the original material of this species in the Edinburgh Herbarium, I confirmed the conclusion of Saroj ji.

Next issue is formal reporting of the species from India and this can be done by Saroj ji. If he has collected specimen then he can write a good note (paper) on it and publish in Journal of Japanese Botany or Edinburgh Journal of Botany or to any other suitable Journal.
If he has not collected any specimen, then he has to go back to the exact locality and collect specimens.
Looking forward for a good publication on this by Saroj ji.
Regards.

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 6:16 PM
To: Tapas Chakrabarty <tcha...@gmail.com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>, efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, Nidhan Singh <nidhans...@gmail.com>

Thanks, Tapas ji

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 7:13 PM
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>, Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>
Cc: Tapas Chakrabarty <tcha...@gmail.com>, efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, Nidhan Singh <nidhans...@gmail.com>

Thank you for the ID validation tapas sir.

Blunder, no specimen.

Saroj Kasaju

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 7:13 PM
To: Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

Forwarded Conversation

Subject: SK1222 22 JUNE 2018

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 12:26 PM
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>, Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>

Dear Members,

Location: Jaubari, Sandakphu, India
Date: 13 May 2018
Altitude: 10000 ft.
Habit : Wild

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 7:17 PM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>

Superb details. Thanks, Saroj ji

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 7:40 PM
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>

Thank you Mr. Garg

Saroj Kasaju

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 11:43 AM
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

Forwarding again for id pl

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From: Nidhan Singh <nidhans...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 2:19 PM
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

I think this may be any Euonymous sp.

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 2:43 PM
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Thanks, Nidhan ji

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 3:46 PM
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
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Thank you Dr. Singh for the lead.

Euonymus porphyreus Loes. ???

Saroj Kasaju

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From: Tapas Chakrabarty <tcha...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 12:04 AM

To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>, Nidhan Singh <nidhans...@gmail.com>, efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, Tabish Qureshi <tab...@gmail.com>

This is certainly Euonymus.
The flowers are 4-merous as well as 5-merous in the same image.
This is matching with Euonymus theifolius Wall. ex M.A. Lawson. The flowers are recorded to be 4-merous in literature!
Wonderful capture. The altitude is also almost matching.
Please check.

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 1:53 AM
To: Tapas Chakrabarty <tcha...@gmail.com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>, Nidhan Singh <nidhans...@gmail.com>, efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, Tabish Qureshi <tab...@gmail.com>

Thanks, Tapas ji

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 10:55 PM
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc: Tapas Chakrabarty <tcha...@gmail.com>, Nidhan Singh <nidhans...@gmail.com>, efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>

Dear Tapas Sir,

I am still not sure about the ID and think that it is more close to Euonymus porphyreus Loes.
keeping in mind length of Peduncle and flower color. Enclosing links for your kind reference .

https://www.google.com.np/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fc1.staticflickr.com%2F9%2F8263%2F8769571545_5236e011e6_b.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2F30879509%40N04%2F8769571545&docid=hnHIul24Y4px-M&tbnid=v2_uEWw5UPRssM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwjxrJzCqfTbAhUOdCsKHcmdAIQQMwguKAAwAA..i&w=1024&h=762&itg=1&bih=508&biw=1093&q=Euonymus%20porphyreus%20description&ved=0ahUKEwjxrJzCqfTbAhUOdCsKHcmdAIQQMwguKAAwAA&iact=mrc&uact=8

http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=242422367

http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=200012819

However, not much reference is found in the web.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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From: Tapas Chakrabarty <tcha...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 12:03 AM

To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>, Nidhan Singh <nidhans...@gmail.com>, efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, Tabish Qureshi <tab...@gmail.com>

Euonymus porphyreus Loes. = E. frigidus
Euonymus frigidus Wall. ex Roxb., Fl. Ind. 2: 409. 1824; Lawson in Hook. f., Fl. Brit. India 1: 611. 1875; Long in Grierson & Long, Fl. Bhutan 2(1): 119. 1991; Ramamurthy in N.P. Singh et al., Fl. India 5: 99. 2000.

Key to the varieties

1a.

Leaves oblong-elliptic to oblanceolate

4.1. var. frigidus

b.

Leaves willow-like (narrowly lanceolate-oblong)

4.2. var. elongatus

4.1. var. frigidus

Nep.: Chure lahara.

Evergreen shrubs or trees up to 4 m high; branchlets smooth. Leaves distant, coriaceous, oblong-elliptic to oblaneolate, 4 - 13 x 1.5 - 3.5 cm, acuminate at apex, cuneate at base, irregularly serrulate along margins; lateral nerves 8 – 12 per side, smooth beneath; petioles 5 – 11 mm long. Cymes axillary, slender, 4 - 9 cm long, usually 7-flowered. Flowers 4-merous, 5 - 6 mm in diam. Calyx lobes ca 0.8 mm long. Petals brownish-crimson, broadly ovate or suborbicular, 2.5 – 3 mm long. Anthers sessile, minute, 1-celled. Capsules subglobose, fleshy, 1 - 2.5 cm across, red on ripening, weakly 4-lobed, with 4 short rounded spur-like wings between lobes at base.

Fl. & Fr. : May – Oct.

In moist broad-leaved and Hemlock/Rhododendron forests; 600 - 3100 m.

Specimens examined: Bakhim, 19 May 1960, Hara et al. 6580 (CAL). Yakche, 16 Oct. 1869, Clarke 10023 B (CAL). Rongpo, May 1878, King s.n., herb. acc. no. 85257 (CAL).

4. 2. var. elongatus Cowan and Cowan, Trees N. Bengal 35. 1929. Euonymus frigidus forma elongatus (Cowan & Cowan) Hara in Fl. E. Himal. 89. 1966.

Differs from var. frigidus in its very narrow willow-like 7 – 16 x 0.6 – 2 cm, acuminate, more distantly serrulate leaves.

Fl. & Fr. : May – August.

In scrubs and mossy coniferous forests; 2200 - 3000 m.

Specimens examined: Tingloo, 3 Aug. 1862, T. Anderson 379 (CAL). Lachen, 17 May 1945, K. Biswas 6636 (CAL).

Note.: Leaves become narrower at higher altitudes.

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From: Tapas Chakrabarty <tcha...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 12:12 AM

To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>, Nidhan Singh <nidhans...@gmail.com>, efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, Tabish Qureshi <tab...@gmail.com>

Now see E. theifolius and please see the conspicuously raised lateral nerves similar to your image. Now decide.

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From: Tapas Chakrabarty <tcha...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 1:30 AM

To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>, Nidhan Singh <nidhans...@gmail.com>, efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, Tabish Qureshi <tab...@gmail.com>

Please check at the following link for the original material of E. porphyreus. Here it seems to be a distinct species, showing one collection from Nepal.
Now if you think that this is E. porphyreus then this should be a new record for India!
Please enlarge the images by clicking on them and then decide.

data.rbge.org.uk/search/herbarium/?family=&genus=Euonymus&species=porphyreus&coll_name=&coll_num=&barcode=&country_name=&region=&major_taxon=&cfg=vherb.cfg&keywords=

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 10:10 AM
To: Tapas Chakrabarty <tcha...@gmail.com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>, Nidhan Singh <nidhans...@gmail.com>, efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, Tabish Qureshi <tab...@gmail.com>

Thanks, Tapas ji, for the wonderful inputs.

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 11:41 AM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, Nidhan Singh <nidhans...@gmail.com>, Tapas Chakrabarty <tcha...@gmail.com>

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From: Tapas Chakrabarty <tcha...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 4:22 PM
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>, efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, Nidhan Singh <nidhans...@gmail.com>

Garg ji,
The identification issue is over. This is Euonymus porphyreus Loes. as pointed out by Saroj ji and this forms a new record for India as pointed out by me. After seeing the original material of this species in the Edinburgh Herbarium, I confirmed the conclusion of Saroj ji.

Next issue is formal reporting of the species from India and this can be done by Saroj ji. If he has collected specimen then he can write a good note (paper) on it and publish in Journal of Japanese Botany or Edinburgh Journal of Botany or to any other suitable Journal.
If he has not collected any specimen, then he has to go back to the exact locality and collect specimens.
Looking forward for a good publication on this by Saroj ji.
Regards.

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 6:16 PM
To: Tapas Chakrabarty <tcha...@gmail.com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>, efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, Nidhan Singh <nidhans...@gmail.com>

Thanks, Tapas ji

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 7:13 PM
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>, Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>
Cc: Tapas Chakrabarty <tcha...@gmail.com>, efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, Nidhan Singh <nidhans...@gmail.com>

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 7:29 PM
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>, Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>, efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, Tapas Chakrabarty <tcha...@gmail.com>

Dear Tapas Sir,

Some differences I would like to bring to your notice.

http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=112340

http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/kew-2803564

http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/a1b9b0ae3bd9af27fb53d95adbe35ed8/synonym/7a54617cb440fd934202050768e0fdbc

Image posted in the efloras of Euonymus frigidus Wall. does not seem matching.
with my post..

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 2:51 PM
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, Tapas Chakrabarty <tcha...@gmail.com>

Thanks a lot, tapas ji and Saroj ji, for the interesting discussions.
After perusing all details discussed in this thread, I also feel it is more closer to Euonymus frigidus Wall. syn. Euonymus porphyreus Loes.
http://www.hkolster.nl/home-nl/+fotobestanden/+euonymusfrigidus1.htm
http://www.hkolster.nl/home-nl/+fotobestanden/+euonymusfrigidus.htm
http://www.asianflora.com/Celastraceae/Euonymus-frigidus.htm
http://www.hkolster.nl/home-nl/+fotobestanden/+euonymusfrigiduselongatus.htm

Images at eflora seems to show it in different condition and time period.

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 3:15 PM
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J.M. Garg

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Oct 22, 2020, 3:21:50 AM10/22/20

to Saroj Kasaju, efloraindia

Already there. Pl. see Euonymus frigidus

With regards,
J.M.Garg

Saroj Kasaju

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Oct 22, 2020, 4:11:01 AM10/22/20

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Thank you Mr. Garg. It was a oversight!

Saroj Kasaju

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