abutilon sp ..... please comment

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A.Sinha

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Jan 10, 2010, 1:39:45 PM1/10/10
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Greetings.
Attached are two Abutilon pics from outskirts of Bangalore.
I  used the   FlowersofIndia  and ENVIS descriptions and find that A fits into Abutilon indicum, althought I cannot rule out glaucum.

Plant A had smaller and more deicate flowers, very velvety leaves, petals, mildly hairy stems
The other (163...IMG) is a bigger , more robust plant,  The other one , B, with  distinct  maroon/purple centre and does not match any desc.   very fully

So my  doubts remain and i would appreciate  an ID and  some comments on distinguishing the 3  species persicum glaucum and indicum.

1.  FOI :  A.persicum : "purple lines",  whereas ENVIS  gives A.indicum a "purple centre".
2.  What is the significant  difference between A. indicum and  A, glaucum ? ( and What is the 'ragged mallow ' referring to ?

regrrds,
A. Sinha




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J.M. Garg

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Feb 23, 2010, 12:27:32 AM2/23/10
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J.M. Garg

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Mar 12, 2010, 12:58:08 AM3/12/10
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J.M. Garg

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Mar 12, 2010, 2:58:07 AM3/12/10
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A reply:
"Hello all
teh abutilon species can easily be identified by the number of mericarps in the fruit.

1. Carpels 5.................................................................................A.persicum
1. carpels more than 10......................................................................2
2. carpels with distinct mucro..............................................................3
2. carpels without a mucro or obtuse.....................................................A. glaucum
3. Plant pilose with long silky hairs, carpels hairy ultimately shining......A. indicum ssp. guineense
3. Plant not as above, carpels densely hairy, ultimately shaggy (pic 3)...A. indicum ssp. indicum
 

I think your first two pic is of Abutilon glaucum (cav) Sweet which is Abutilon pannosum (Forst.f.) Schlecht.
http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=60117&flora_id=5

ALSO REFER THIS RESEARCH PAPER. I feel this may solve all teh confusion
http://flora.huh.harvard.edu/china//PDF/PDF12/Abutilon.pdf

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R. Vijayasankar

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Mar 12, 2010, 11:09:37 AM3/12/10
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I think all these pictures represent two different forms (with & without purple center in corolla) Abutilon indicum subsp. indicum.
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J.M. Garg

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Mar 27, 2010, 2:19:13 AM3/27/10
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Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise pl.

Earlier relevant feedback:

“The abutilon species can easily be identified by the number of mericarps in the fruit.


1. Carpels 5.................................................................................A.persicum
1. carpels more than 10......................................................................2
2. carpels with distinct mucro..............................................................3
2. carpels without a mucro or obtuse.....................................................A. glaucum
3. Plant pilose with long silky hairs, carpels hairy ultimately shining......A. indicum ssp. guineense
3. Plant not as above, carpels densely hairy, ultimately shaggy (pic 3)...A. indicum ssp. indicum

 


for abutilon persicum refer
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/4356251230/


I think your first two pic is of Abutilon glaucum (cav) Sweet which is Abutilon pannosum (Forst.f.) Schlecht.
http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=60117&flora_id=5


for Abutilon indicum ssp. indicum
http://www.malvaceae.info/Genera/Abutilon/galleryS.html


ALSO REFER THIS RESEARCH PAPER. I feel this may solve all teh confusion
http://flora.huh.harvard.edu/china//PDF/PDF12/Abutilon.pdf


Regards
Satish Pardeshi
Consultant Taxonomist”
 

“I think all these pictures represent two different forms (with & without purple center in corolla) Abutilon indicum subsp. indicum.” from Vijayasankar ji.



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tanay bose

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Mar 27, 2010, 6:18:40 AM3/27/10
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Dear ALL,
I think plants in the first two photos and last one is the same both are Abutilon indicum ssp indicum. The only difference between the two plants are the prescence of purple tinge at the centre. I have learnt that A. indicum ssp indicum can have both these floral varieties and they are not regarded as a separated taxon for this reason.
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