Cersatium fontanum var. triviale from Kashmir

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Gurcharan Singh

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Jul 28, 2010, 10:53:06 PM7/28/10
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Cersatium fontanum var. triviale from Kashmir, differeing from C. glomeratum in larger petals, lax inflorescence and longer pedicels. Photographed from Nishat garden on June 17, 2010

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tanay bose

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Jul 29, 2010, 12:54:09 AM7/29/10
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Lovely catch catch nice to see the difference between two species.
Kindly read it as
Cerastium fontanum Baumg. var triviale (Link) Jalas (nullify the typo error in the passage)

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Gurcharan Singh

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Jul 29, 2010, 3:57:25 AM7/29/10
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Thanks Tanay for adding "a" to correct my typo error. I love you for such critical eye.


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Tabish

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Aug 1, 2010, 2:35:37 PM8/1/10
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Dear Gurcharan ji,
This one doesn't look like Cerastium fontanum subsp. triviale to
me, which is now treated synonymous with Cerastium fontanum subsp.
vulgare. Petals are supposed to be shorted than sepals in that
species. However, in your flower the petals are distinctly longer than
the sepals.
To me it looks like Cerastium dahuricum (alternate spelling
Cerastium davuricum), with notched petals longer than sepals and stem-
clasping leaves
http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=39189&flora_id=2
Your comments?
Best wishes
- Tabish
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Gurcharan Singh

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Aug 1, 2010, 9:56:41 PM8/1/10
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Tabish ji
Thanks for pointing out the petals length. It, however, does not look like C. davuricum in which the plants are much taller, leaves much broader at base (ovate) and clasping.


 My plant may be C. fontanum var. grandiflorum perhaps, the leaves are clearly elliptic-lanceolate. Let us continue the search.


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J.M. Garg

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Sep 17, 2010, 3:58:37 AM9/17/10
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Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

This one doesn't look like Cerastium fontanum subsp. triviale to


me, which is now treated synonymous with Cerastium fontanum subsp.
vulgare. Petals are supposed to be shorted than sepals in that
species. However, in your flower the petals are distinctly longer than
the sepals.
  To me it looks like  Cerastium dahuricum (alternate spelling
Cerastium davuricum), with notched petals longer than sepals and stem-
clasping leaves
 http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=39189&flora_id=2
Your comments?
 Best wishes

 - Tabish”

 

“Thanks for pointing out the petals length. It, however, does not look like C. davuricum in which the plants are much taller, leaves much broader at base (ovate) and clasping.

http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=39189&flora_id=2

My plant may be C. fontanum var. grandiflorum perhaps, the leaves are clearly elliptic-lanceolate. Let us continue the search.

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Gurcharan Singh

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Oct 15, 2010, 8:26:58 PM10/15/10
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After further scrutiny I have come to the conclusion that my plant identifies better with C. fontanum on account of two things:
The petals are longer than sepals
capsule is much longer than fruiting calyx


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JM Garg

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Jun 13, 2021, 12:14:24 PM6/13/21
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I think it will be Cerastium glomeratum as per discussions at Confusion between Cerastium fontanum subsp. vulgare and Cerastium glomeratum and Id request for this species of Arenaria

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Tabish

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Jun 14, 2021, 6:27:16 AM6/14/21
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In fact, now Cerastium fontanum subsp. triviale (E.H.L.Krause) Jalas is considered a synonym of Cerastium glomeratum Thuill.
    Tabish

Saroj Kasaju

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Jun 14, 2021, 12:20:14 PM6/14/21
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Yes Tabish Ji !
Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju


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Gurcharan Singh

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Jun 15, 2021, 8:48:17 AM6/15/21
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Yes C. glomeratum if we follow POWO
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