Bauhinia sps.

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ushaprabha page

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22-Sept-2010, 1:30:38 am22/09/10
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Different Bauhinias for further id. pl
1&2 flower and  it`s tree
5&6 flower and.it`s tree.
P2190782.JPG
P2200790.JPG
P2210797.JPG
P2280852.JPG
P2140693.JPG
P2140692.JPG
P3110910.JPG

Kenneth Greby

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22-Sept-2010, 1:40:37 am22/09/10
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All look like B. variegata, except #0797, which is B. x blakeana.

Nice photos!

Regards--
Ken.



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Subject: [efloraofindia:47895] Bauhinia sps.

Dinesh Valke

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22-Sept-2010, 1:46:47 am22/09/10
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P2190782.JPG ... Bauhinia variegata
P2200790.JPG ... Bauhinia variegata

P2210797.JPG ... Bauhinia x blakeana

P2280852.JPG ... Bauhinia variegata

P2140693.JPG ... Bauhinia variegata var. candida
P2140692.JPG ... Bauhinia variegata var. candida

P3110910.JPG ... Bauhinia variegata


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Pankaj Kumar

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22-Sept-2010, 3:02:38 am22/09/10
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P2140693 I thought is Bauhinia alba
P2210797, I thought is Bauhinia purpurea
I may be wrong...
Pankaj

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Dinesh Valke

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22-Sept-2010, 6:03:14 am22/09/10
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P2140693 ... Bauhinia alba as well as B. variegata var. candida are now synonyms of B. variegata ... http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?6602
P2210797 ... certainly not B. purpurea, whose petals are more slender, and has only 3 stamens.

Am justifying my thoughts, could be wrong.


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Gurcharan Singh

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22-Sept-2010, 10:14:48 am22/09/10
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Dinesh ji got them all right except that it is more appropriately cv. Candida or B. variegata 'Candida'

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Pankaj Kumar

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22-Sept-2010, 11:06:23 am22/09/10
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Dear Dinesh Sir,

I again have one VERY SIMPLE question as usual:

Which alba are you talking of:
Bauhinia alba Hort. (this is a cultivar not a species)
OR
Bauhinia alba Buch.-Ham. ex Wall.

For your information, there is a species called Bauhinia alba and then
there is a cultivated variety called Bauhinia variegata 'Alba'. When
following any plant name from GRIN full name is to be checked.
As far as I can make out GRIN is talking about the cultivated variety
so please do not misinterpret the informations.
I assume more than 80% of people here are not taxonomists so its not a
big deal as they tend to miss the technical details of it.
Though I may be wrong!!
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Pankaj

Pankaj Kumar

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22-Sept-2010, 11:07:36 am22/09/10
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and yes, you were 100% correct about B. purpurea and my apologies for
the wrong id. They can also be differentiated on the basis of the
foliar structure.
Regards
Pankaj

ushaprabha page

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22-Sept-2010, 11:09:44 am22/09/10
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Thanks for id.

Dinesh Valke

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22-Sept-2010, 11:17:31 am22/09/10
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Dear Pankaj ... was not aware that there are two avataars of Bauhinia alba !!!
Referred to link of NPGS / GRIN ... it states Bauhinia alba Hort. as synonym of B. variegata.
Many thanks for making me aware that the syntax is not necessarily followed.

Pankaj Kumar

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22-Sept-2010, 11:19:37 am22/09/10
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Dear Sir,
Hort. is not author citation there, it is pointing towards may be
horticultural variety, in other words, cultivars.
Regards
Pankaj

ajinkya gadave

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22-Sept-2010, 11:22:38 am22/09/10
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Great discussion. 

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dinesh Valke

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22-Sept-2010, 11:42:13 am22/09/10
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Once again many thanks for enlightening dear Pankaj ... now laughing at my stupidity !!!!!!!
Hort. stands for Horticultural variety ... this will remain registered in my mind.

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ushaprabha page

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22-Sept-2010, 11:45:19 am22/09/10
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very interesting.

Anand Kumar Bhatt

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22-Sept-2010, 11:56:37 am22/09/10
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In a lighter vein, as the Bard said:

"What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet."
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Gurcharan Singh

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22-Sept-2010, 12:50:31 pm22/09/10
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According to GRIN B. alba Hort is synonym of B. variegata (GRIN does not talk about cultivars)
According to Hortus Third B. alba Buch.-Ham. (as also B. candida Ait.) are synonyms of B. variegata cv. Candida.


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Pankaj Kumar

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26-Sept-2010, 3:29:04 am26/09/10
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On GRIN website, there is one option at the end of the webpage

http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?6602

Abbreviations & symbols in GRIN Taxonomy

In this GRIN writes, 'hort.' as "hortulanorum (Latin): of gardeners,
signifying that the name was first used in gardens and was later
published without the name of its originator."

Can you please tell me if it relates with cultivated varieties or not.
Because I still have doubts about the synonymy of this species.
Bauhinia alba Buch.-Ham. should be a distinct species. Why will GRIN
not use a proper author citation and write B. alba as B. alba hort..
They cant make such silly mistakes.

Regards
Pankaj

promila chaturvedi

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26-Sept-2010, 7:58:01 am26/09/10
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One of them Bauhinia blakeana, 2 of them are B. alba and the remaining seems to be varigata.
Promila

Gurcharan Singh

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26-Sept-2010, 2:55:22 pm26/09/10
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Other sources which treat B. alba Buch.-Ham. ex Wall. (or simply B. alba) as synonym of B. variegata var. candida






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Padmini Raghavan

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26-Sept-2010, 3:09:49 pm26/09/10
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The discussion is too technical for me to appreciate. However I DO appreciate the beauty of the flowers.
Where in India do they flower so very profusely?
 
 I thought our B. blakeana had put on a good show but these have surpassed the poor Chennai specimen, being fully covered with only flowers.
Padmini Raghavan.
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