MS,June,2021/13 Climber for id

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M Sawmliana

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Jun 21, 2021, 12:30:41 PM6/21/21
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Location : Lengpui, Mizoram
Date : 18-03-2015
Habit : Climber
Habitat : Wild

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M.Sawmliana
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Saroj Kasaju

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Jun 21, 2021, 12:34:11 PM6/21/21
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Operculina turpethum (L.) Silva Manso ??
Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju


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Paradesi Anjaneyulu

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Jun 21, 2021, 9:43:49 PM6/21/21
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Yes Saroj ji,
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Saroj Kasaju

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Jun 22, 2021, 12:58:26 AM6/22/21
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Thank you Paradesi Ji !

Saroj Kasaju


Saroj Kasaju

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Jun 28, 2021, 12:12:32 PM6/28/21
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Please see that already ID !
Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju


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From: M Sawmliana <msawm...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:389549] MS,June,2021/13 Climber for id
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>


Comonea umbellata ???

J.M. Garg

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Jul 6, 2021, 7:32:27 AM7/6/21
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Thanks, Sawmliana ji.
It appears more closer to images at Operculina turpethum rather than those of Camonea umbellata as per POWO.
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Jul 6, 2021, 11:45:24 AM7/6/21
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Yes, more proably it is Merremia umbellata subsp. macra (C.B.Clarke) Parmar = Camonea kingii (Prain) A.R.Simões & Staples, than Operculina turpethum.

J.M. Garg

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Jul 13, 2021, 3:59:54 AM7/13/21
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Thanks, Surajit ji.
As per description of Camonea kingii as per Convolvulaceae Unlimited: 
Inflorescence lax, a cymose panicle, usually 5–12-flowered ....


It does not appear so in the posted images. 



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J.M. Garg

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Jul 13, 2021, 4:00:27 AM7/13/21
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Thanks, Surajit ji.
As per description of Camonea kingii as per Convolvulaceae Unlimited
Inflorescence lax, a cymose panicle, usually 5–12-flowered ....


It does not appear so in the posted images. 

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surajit koley

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Jul 15, 2021, 1:13:17 AM7/15/21
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Hello, Mr. Garg,

If this species is same as in https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/Je5w66tI7lM/m/aZnjMoziAgAJ, I think,it is never Operculina turpethum (L.) Silva Manso.

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Surajit Koley

J.M. Garg

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Jul 15, 2021, 1:39:27 AM7/15/21
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Hi, Sawmliana ji, 
May I request you to pl. post high resolution images to further check the details.

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radha veach

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Jul 15, 2021, 9:42:02 AM7/15/21
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The stems here look terete and smooth. Operculina has angled or winged stems.
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Radha

surajit koley

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Jul 16, 2021, 10:26:50 AM7/16/21
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This is not the same species as in the other thread, Sawmliana ji posted - https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/Je5w66tI7lM/m/aZnjMoziAgAJ.. Here flower is larger, peduncle is longer, flower is funnel shaped, unlike rather campanulate shape of Merremia.

And to my disappointment there is no fruit picture in the submitted set to prove my suggestion!

Another disappointment is that perhaps Sawmliana ji is in no position to upload original plates of this species.

Moreover, Camonea kingii (Prain) A.R.Simões & Staples is not listed in Flora of Mizoram!

Should I accept Operculina turpethum then?
( I will skip the "winged stem" part! )

NO
  1. some of the peduncles are longer than 3 cm here
  2. anthers are different from Operculina turpethum (check the paper I mentioned in the other thread)
If Sawmliana ji could show me a pair of tiny auricles at the petiole attachment site of the stem!!!






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