Kindly help identify the plant

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Dear Members,

Kindly help identify the plant which I found growing by the side of a road in Rawathpora Srinagar Kashmir.

Google image search turned up Lithospermum erythrorhizon but I don't think it has ever been reported from Srinagar.

I will have to wait for it to flower but am afraid someone may destroy it before it flowers so I am posting a photo for record.

Regards

Taffazull

[Saroj Kasaju]

Image is so blurred. Cynoglossum, possibly lanceolatum.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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Thanks Saroj ji,

Will try to post a better image soon.

Perhaps will flower soon

Regards

[Saroj Kasaju]

OK Dr. Taffajull.

Thank you.

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Some more photos,

Regards

Taffazull

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One more photo

Leaves have long and short trichomes with tuberculate bases,

Tiny flowers and corolla with about 0.8 mm lobes and light blue throat

I think photo of inflorescence rules out C.lanceolatum and all species with scorpid cyme inflorescence.

Would request opinion of experts

Regards

Taffazull

[Saroj Kasaju]

Looks like but images are not crisp. It gets blurred when trying to zoom.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

On Wed, Jul 30, 2025 at 4:49 PM taffa...@gmail.com <taffa...@gmail.com> wrote:

Some more photos,

Regards

Taffazull

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Photo of trichomes (X15) 

[Saroj Kasaju]

Pls check Cynoglossum zeylanicum (Sw. ex Lehm.) Thunb. ex Brand.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

On Wed, Jul 30, 2025 at 4:59 PM taffa...@gmail.com <taffa...@gmail.com> wrote:

Photo of trichomes (X15) 

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Dear Saroj ji,

Thanks for the suggestion

According to Kazmi  in  C.zeylanicum trichomes  are " upto 0.2 mm long not arising from conspicuous tubercular bases" .

In my photo you can see that trichomes arise from very conspicuous tubercular bases.

Further he mentions " Corolla blue , infundubiliform 5 mm long limbs 8-9 mm in diameter" . In this plant flowers are very tiny about 3-4mm diameter.

If no one cuts the plant ( it is growing on roadside)   and more flowers appear I will try to take close up pictures of flowers showing calyx also. Because of tiny flowers it may be difficult for me to dissect the flower to see the included anthers.

The key points that I have noticed so far are:

1. Inflorescence is not a scorpioid cyme 

2.Trichomes arise from prominent tubercular bases

3.Corolla limbs are white but throat part is blue

Regards

Taffazull

[taffa...@gmail.com]

I think I was mistaken because of small size of inflorescence. 

Under a magnifying glass the inflorescence appears scorpoid (See photo INFLORESCENSE X15)

Wonder if it could be C.wallichii  (Native of Nepal)

The following points regarding it given by Kazmi seem interesting " Inflorescence terminal or axillary, usually geminate branches divaricate , ebracteate , short scorpoid , bearing closely set flowers, much elongated after flowering, pedicils none to very short in flower..upto 3mm in fruit, ..Corolla pale to deep blue ,campanulate, 3.5-4mm long , tube equalling the calyx , limbs equalling the tube , divided nearly to the base , lobes rounded, faucal appendages subquadrate , slightly emarginate.."  

Regards

taffazull

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One more photo of plant with a plastic scale for comparison

It now seems very probable to me that it is C.wallichii var wallichii considering the 1-1.5 mm long rounded corolla lobes.

Regards

taffazull

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I am specifically mentioning var wallichii because according to Kazimi it is found among other places in Kashmir in " ..  environs of Srinagar within a circle of 8 miles Schlagintweit 4503(US) 4237 (GH) .."

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Some more photos:
Photo 1: Flower seen from above ( X 15). Subquadrate (rectangular), slightly emarginate(notched) faucal appendages with 5 anthers( 0.2-0.3mm broad} just below and between them. small square =1mm square

Photo 2: Same flower at X50 magnification. The stigma can also be seen. It is very interesting that style is very short or perhaps absent. Kazmi in his description has omitted mention of style perhaps because it is not easily visible. I am not sure and would have to examine more flowers

Photo 3 : Faucal appendages (50X)

Photo 4: Faucal appendages (X50). I think puberlent as reported for C. wallichii

All photos taken on 2/Aug/2025

All photos under CC licence(Attribution only required)

Regards

Taffazull

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One more photo:

Corolla  removed to show the stigma at the top of the 4 ovules (X50).

Apparently the gynobasic style is just long enough to reach the top of the ovules and extends no further. Yellow anthers borne on very short filaments are also visible

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One more photo:

Anther  at X50 magnification. Stigma with papillae is also visible

[Gurcharan Singh]

Taffazul ji pl show nutlets, it will confirm

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Dear Gurcharan ji,

Thanks for your kind interest 

I too am waiting for the nutlets to form

If no one destroys the plant which is growing on the roadside I think they will form in a few weeks. 

They will  certainly  I hope end speculation

Sincere regards

Taffazull

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Dear Gurcharan ji,

Some photos of fruit and an unripe nutlet.

Hope they help in final ID

Regards

Taffazull

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Seems C.lanceolatum as Saroj ji also suggested previously

Regards

[Saroj Kasaju]

Ok Dr. Taffazull.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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Photo showing reddish stigma at the tip of a very short style between and below the nutlets in fruit

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Photo of anthers about 0.3mm long and half as broad attached by very short filaments at the middle of the corolla tube

[taffa...@gmail.com]

It should be " ANTHERS (X 15)" and "above the middle of the corolla tube" not "at the middle"

Regret the typos

Regards

Taffazull

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Photo of pollen grains

Small spherical sticky pollen grains at X675 magnification