Gliricidia sepium
rashida atthar
The very common Gliricidia sepium trees in Mumbai forest lend a colourful hue for several months. These blooms were seen at the beginning of flowering season at South end of national park in Mumbai on 16 Jan'10.
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 12:46:18 +0530
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Yes Kiran ji on several occasions Dr. Almeida has expressed his opinion that the forest should be left to itself, it has its natural way of adjustment and thriving. He is I suppose speaking from life time spent in the field and writing on flora. However, inspite of this on a plot at CEC that I have been studying since over two years now, one fine day I found a huge Gliricidia tree chopped and fallen across the the end of the plot. I could not understand the purpose.
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 12:46:18 +0530
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:31851] Gliricidia sepium
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 18:08:05 +0530
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:08:25 +0530
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:31863] Gliricidia sepium
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tanay bose
Dear Rashida ji,
Tanay ji you can take some from Mumbai, we have plenty !
regards,
Rashida.
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:08:25 +0530
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:31863] Gliricidia sepium
From: tanay...@gmail.com
To: chile...@gmail.com
Yazdy Palia
Just tell me how much you require, I will send you mature pods or
seeds that have been dispersed when the pods burst.
I have a few thousand of these trees. They form excellent green
manure, they nourish the soil by fixing nitrogen and they are very
good standards for cultivating black pepper. Ultimately if and when
you think of cutting them, they give very good timber for small
furniture as good as teak.
The flowers provide plenty of nectar for my honey bees too.
Regards
Yazdy.
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 8:59 PM, tanay bose <tanay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Rashida ji,
> If i ever visit Mumbai again I will make point to collect few seeds to plant
> in my garden .
> Regards
> Tanay
> On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 8:05 PM, rashida atthar <rashid...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Tanay ji you can take some from Mumbai, we have plenty !
>>
>> regards,
>> Rashida.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> ________________________________
>> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:08:25 +0530
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>> CC: mani....@gmail.com; rashid...@hotmail.com;
>> srivas...@gmail.com; indian...@googlegroups.com
>> From: srivas...@gmail.com
tanay bose
I require few 10-15 seeds and not more than that. I will like to plant 4-5 trees only rest only for safety if few of them fail to germinate. But the biggest question is how will you send them to me???? Next big thing is that make an album on picasa or some thing like that with the photos of your farm I am eager to get a glimpse of your farm. Hope you will upload soon and send me the link!!
Regards
Tanay
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rashida atthar
My observation ever since I have known about this differring views is that most of the wild flowers like eranthemum, even Karvis have grown below the trunk and there is normal spread, but these are just a few of my observations. I have not seen an increase in the number of Gliricidias around the Gliricidia trees I have been observing. Perhaps Tanay ji can give us a link on some scientific pdf paper on this if any.
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Rashida.
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:26:01 +0530
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:32046] Gliricidia sepium
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adjacent to our compound wall. The one cutting I obtained did not root, (inspite of it being called Quickstick)!
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Yazdy Palia
I totally agree with you. I have as I stated a few thousand trees of
Gliricidia. I have seen other seeds sprouting and growing well but am
yet to see gliricidia multiplying rapidly. The soil at my place is so
full of mulch that any seed sprout easily. One reason could be that
the sprouted plant gets destroyed by some pest. I have seen gliricidia
cuttings that are well established being attacked by white stem borers
resulting in death.
We have been using it as standards for supporting pepper vines very
successfully.
These are most useful for creating green manure, the leaves decay fast
and nourishes the earth. It being a forest legume also fixes nitrogen
into the soil.
Regards
Yazdy Palia.
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Devi
I saw from your profile that you are in Wayanad. We [ a group of 9
people] are in the process of setting up a small community farm in
Wayanad, close to Sulthan Bathery. Where are you located?
I'm interested in seeds of Gliricidia. Maybe I could have some picked
up if you're close by and have some to spare.
Thanks and regards,
Devi.
On Apr 10, 8:39 pm, Yazdy Palia <yazdypa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Tanay,
> Just tell me how much you require, I will send you mature pods or
> seeds that have been dispersed when the pods burst.
> I have a few thousand of these trees. They form excellent green
> manure, they nourish the soil by fixing nitrogen and they are very
> good standards for cultivating black pepper. Ultimately if and when
> you think of cutting them, they give very good timber for small
> furniture as good as teak.
> The flowers provide plenty of nectar for my honey bees too.
> Regards
> Yazdy.
>
> On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 8:59 PM, tanay bose <tanaybos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Rashida ji,
> > If i ever visit Mumbai again I will make point to collect few seeds to plant
> > in my garden .
> > Regards
> > Tanay
> > On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 8:05 PM, rashida atthar <rashidaatt...@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >> Tanay ji you can take some from Mumbai, we have plenty !
>
> >> regards,
> >> Rashida.
>
> >> ________________________________
> >> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:08:25 +0530
> >> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:31863] Gliricidia sepium
> >> From: tanaybos...@gmail.com
> >> To: chilesat...@gmail.com
> >> CC: mani.na...@gmail.com; rashidaatt...@hotmail.com;
> >> srivastava...@gmail.com; indian...@googlegroups.com
>
> >> Nice photos Rashida Ji, probably I have not found this tree in or around
> >> Kolkata.
> >> Regards
> >> Tanay
>
> >> On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Satish Chile <chilesat...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> Dear All,
> >> Gliricidia sepium is planted in our college and it is quite old. Also one
> >> tree in collecter Seoni's House and one in Circuit house. They all bear
> >> fruits (Pods) in this season. One month back they were in heavy bloom.It
> >> attracts the attentions of large number of people while in full blooms.
> >> Dr. Satish Chile
>
> >> On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 1:05 AM, mani nair <mani.na...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> I have planted one Gliricidia tree in our Society. It is two years old
> >> now. Hope to see it flower this summer. In the villages the bark of the
> >> tree is used as a rat poison. The leaves of this trees is used as a Green
> >> manure.
>
> >> Regards,
>
> >> Mani.
>
> >> On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 1:20 PM, rashida atthar
> >> <rashidaatt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Yes Kiran ji on several occasions Dr. Almeida has expressed his opinion
> >> that the forest should be left to itself, it has its natural way of
> >> adjustment and thriving. He is I suppose speaking from life time spent in
> >> the field and writing on flora. However, inspite of this on a plot at CEC
> >> that I have been studying since over two years now, one fine day I found a
> >> huge Gliricidia tree chopped and fallen across the the end of the plot. I
> >> could not understand the purpose.
>
> >> regards,
> >> Rashida.
>
> >> ________________________________
> >> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 12:46:18 +0530
> >> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:31851] Gliricidia sepium
> >> From: srivastava...@gmail.com
rashida atthar
regards,
Rashida.
> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 22:56:34 +0530
> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:32083] Gliricidia sepium
> From: yazdy...@gmail.com
> To: rashid...@hotmail.com
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mani nair
Please clarify.
Regards,
Mani.
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Regards,
Mani.
Pardeshi S.
Vast areas and barren hillls are planted with Gliricidia in
Ahmednagar, Aurangabad, Osmanabad, Pune, Washim and Akola. the tree
adapt it self to the environment and grows quickly. even when the
trunk is cut down the coppice grows very fast and forms the green
cover. the locals used it for fuel wood. i have observed the plants
growing under the canopy of gliricidia plantation, and would like to
mention that very few plants could survive under it. only a few
grasses could be found growing under it. the thick layer of dried
fallen leaves also hinder the growth of other herbs.
Regards
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On Apr 14, 10:27 am, mani nair <mani.na...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Rashidaji for the information.
> Regards,
> Mani.
>
> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 9:44 AM, rashida atthar
> <rashidaatt...@hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
> > Mani ji according to the book 'Trees of Mumbai', the scientific name
> > Gliricidia is derived from the Spanish name 'Mata Raton' meaning mouse
> > killer. 'Gliris' means mouse and 'Caedo' means killer. Sepium means hedge,
> > the tree is sometimes planted as a hedge. Further the book mentions that in
> > cocoa plantations it is grown as a shade tree, when grown as a hedge along
> > crop fields, it acts as a wind breaker. The bark of the tree is powdered and
> > mixed with rice/ maize flour baits set up to kill rats.
>
> > regards,
> > Rashida.
>
> > ------------------------------
> > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 00:13:24 +0530
> > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:32227] Gliricidia sepium
>
> > From: mani.na...@gmail.com
> > To: padi...@gmail.com
> > CC: yazdypa...@gmail.com; tanaybos...@gmail.com; rashidaatt...@hotmail.com;
> > chilesat...@gmail.com; srivastava...@gmail.com;
> > indian...@googlegroups.com
>
> > I believe that the bark of the trees is used as a rat poison.
>
> > Please clarify.
>
> > Regards,
>
> > Mani.
>
> > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Padmini Raghavan <padi...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Dear Yazdyji,
> > I have been trying without success to get a sapling of Gliricidia sepium
> > as we have a rat menace at our apartment compound. A family of bandicoots
> > has made itself so well entrenched that their burrows have killed a row of
> > various coloured Ceasalpinia pulcherrima
> > adjacent to our compound wall. The one cutting I obtained did not root,
> > (inspite of it being called Quickstick)!
> > My neihbours have tried Rat poison but it has not worked.
>
> > In 1960, my uncle had planted a whole lot of these saplings to give shelter
> > to teak seedlings he had planted on his land, which was on a small hill
> > behind the farmhouse at a village (Ghunpur) near Nizamabad. He had hoped
> > that a teak forest would make the summers more bearable.
>
> > I too would love to obtain some seeds from you.
> > Rgds,
> > Padmini Raghavan.
> > On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Yazdy Palia <yazdypa...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Dear Tanay,
> > Just tell me how much you require, I will send you mature pods or
> > seeds that have been dispersed when the pods burst.
> > I have a few thousand of these trees. They form excellent green
> > manure, they nourish the soil by fixing nitrogen and they are very
> > good standards for cultivating black pepper. Ultimately if and when
> > you think of cutting them, they give very good timber for small
> > furniture as good as teak.
> > The flowers provide plenty of nectar for my honey bees too.
> > Regards
> > Yazdy.
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Yazdy Palia
If what you say is true, Nothing would ever grow in my farm. I have
thousands of these trees in my 40 acre farm. I grow coffee and pepper
mainly. A lot of my pepper plants are growing on these gliricidia
trees. I do not know how long a time was spent by you in these
gliricidia plantations that you speak about.
There has to be some reason why you do not see vegetation under its
canopy. I wonder about the nature of the soil for starters. If it is
infertile land, you may not see much vegetation in any case. What is
the amount of rainfall that these areas receive? I have seen during my
stay at kaneh and Kamshet that the farmers graze sheep in these
forests. Sheep as you know is enemy number one of any forest. If sheep
grazing is practiced in these plantations, nothing will grow. A
casual visitor may assume that nothing grows under the canopy.
As far as the fallen leaves are concerned, they only encourage growth
of all plants. If you ever go there and try and move the leaves after
a few rains you will find plenty of fresh feeder roots of all plants
weeds or otherwise encouraged by the humus created by these falling
leaves. The fallen leaves encourages growth of the microorganism that
is part of soil fertility.
There is another malaise of the areas that you mention. The villagers
not only use these trees for firewood but they also take huge amounts
of firewood for the local hotels (small ones) thereby making the area
barren after a few years. Evidence of this could be seen daily in the
morning when any train stops at small stations like palasdhari, monkey
hill on the Lonavala track. They all hang the firewood on the window
grill of the train and unload it at Lonavala.
Gliricidia planted in such barren areas will nourish the soil and make
it fertile within a few years.
Regards
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rashida atthar
How does this compare to other trees that are planted on mass scale? Does the same phenomenon exist? Some of these questions will lead to some concrete understanding.
regards,
Rashida.
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 17:27:47 +0530
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:32266] Re: Gliricidia sepium
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rashida atthar
Also in the case of Gliricidia which is the chemical that is prohibiting the growth of others would be interesting to know. A lot of mention is of plantation on barren ground, unless concerted efforts were made to plant different trees and herbs and than a study is conducted to see their survival how can one draw a conclusion?
regards,
Rashida.
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 18:26:07 +0530
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:32224] Re: Gliricidia sepium
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Gurcharan Singh
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Yazdy Palia
Thank you so much for the pain taken to explain and for the attached pictures.
The pictures tell me that the land is totally devoid of any humus.
Even the Gliricidia are scraggy and week. My observation in the past
is that such land will take years to become fertile. In my opinion,
the forest department has done the right thing by planting these
trees.They could also try erithrina. We had a similar plot where there
was hardly any soil. It was mostly gravel and nothing would grow
there. My late father planted the area with plenty of gliricidia and
erithrina. It took years for layers of soil to develop and today it is
fertile. Anything you plant there thrives.
I have gone through the mail of Mr. Gurucharan Singh ji and the
phenomenon of allelopathy. I have read about it too. I have moreover
observed it in rubber plantations. Normally nothing grows under rubber
trees, I did not then know about allelopathy. Though these days people
cultivate some creepers under it and the land looks good and green.
In this case however, and your pictures shows that the land is hardly
having any soil or rather humus. It is barren. It was probably
neglected for a very long time. I think you will see the difference
after say another 5 years if the leaf litter is allowed to remain
there. If by chance I have offended you, please excuse, that was not
my intention.
Regards
Yazdy.
Pankaj Oudhia
Please check this paper for Allelochemicals of Gliricidia.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/t554w03281740g70/
Take the services of Google scholar and Scirus.com.
I have published a lot on different aspects of Allelopathy. For my scientific papers please see this link
http://ecoport.org/ep?SearchType=reference&Author=oudhia&MaxList=0&AuthorWild=CO
When I started Ethnobotanical surveys, I observed that the Traditional Healers have in depth Traditional Knowledge about plant to plant relationships. They exploit this relationship to enrich plants with desired medicinal properties. I named this knowledge as Traditional Allelopathic Knowledge. Over 7500 research documents based on this knowledge are online through Botanical.com whereas thousands of documents are at pankajoudhia.com and Ecoport.
regards
Pankaj Oudhia
rashida atthar
My knowledge base of this tree has certainly increased due to these discussions and also in the process learned new phenomenon. For a more holistic approach and increase in knowledge base pertaining to plants relationships due to the unique nature of our groups a lot of new contribution to existing knowledge is possilble.
regards,
Rashida.
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 19:44:14 +0530
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:32272] Re: Gliricidia sepium
rashida atthar
regards,
Rashida.
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 01:23:22 +0530
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:32294] Re: Gliricidia sepium
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satish pardeshi
Hello Shri Satish Pardeshi ji,
I am relieved that you are not upset. Another observation of mine
while going through your pictures of gliricidia plantation was that
the forest department should plant other trees too. My observation is
that the land is exposed to too much sunlight as such, I doubt that
the soil has enough count per gram of beneficial microorganism. The
ground has to be covered with plenty of trees so that slowly the
beneficial microorganisms multiply and the soil fertility returns.
Once that is done, you will find that other plants can thrive under
Gliricidia too.
Man has destroyed the land by decimating trees in vast areas. The
matter is mitigated by farmers exploiting the land by indiscriminate
grazing exposing the soil to excessive sunlight. What is left is dry
land on which nothing grows.
If people are advised to let the leaves remain on the ground, to
prevent forest fire, nature will take over and reward us with a rich
soil.
Regards
Yazdy.
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:19 AM, satish pardeshi
<satishp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Yazdy ji
> its true that some words of yours did effect me, as i have observed the
> plantation across the state an it was my observed points that i discussed.
> so was a bit disturbed reading from you. but such "discussion and arguments"
> frequently occurs during an scientific talk, hence i dnt take it as an
> personal issue or otherwise. i have no issue, please excuse me if my
> response was not up to mark....right now my only aim is to develop an eflora
> of india. just looking forward for more information from your farm..
> Regards
> Satish Pardeshi
Yazdy Palia
I agree with you absolutely. I would have planted a mixture of Jack
fruit trees, simply because, it grows easily, it is deep rooted and it
is an evergreen tree. The more the soil is protected from direct
sunlight, the more will the population of beneficial microorganism
develop. It is these that bring back fertility back into the soil. I
would also plant other deep rooted trees like Rose wood which is also
a forest legume and helps in fixing nitrogen . It should never be a
mono crop, once there is a good blend of forest and fruit trees,
nature will take over and bring fertility to the soil. We should then
take care that man does not interfere with nature.
One could take the assistance of the The National Biofertilizer
Development centre, Gaziabad and try if innoculation of the soil
during monsoon with Biofertilizers like Azosperillum,
Phosphobacterium, Rizobium (specifically suited for Gliricidia) since
the area is planted with Gliricidia; Acetobactor, Pseudomonas
florescense etc; would help. I am sure it will restore some balance in
soil. But care must be taken that the soil is not exposed to sunlight
otherwise, the biofertilizers population will come down.
Regards
Yazdy.
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:29 AM, satish pardeshi
rashida atthar
regards,
Rashida.
> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 12:34:19 +0530
> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:32395] Re: Gliricidia sepium
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