Ilysanthes hyssopioides Benth. ???

[surajit koley]

This plant, recorded on 12-May-2013. somehow got deleted from my memory till this morning! This one was growing beside railway ditch.

Thank you.

Regards

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

efi page on  Lindernia hyssopoides (Syn:  Ilysanthes hyssopioides (L.) Benth.)

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[surajit koley]

Dear Sir,

The problem is manifold to me for this plant, rather the issue of "hyssopioides".

There are-

1. Ilysanthes hyssopioides Benth., backed by illustrations (a) plate 203 of Coromandel Plants and (b) 857 of Icones
   
2. Gratiola hyssopioides of plate 128 of Coromandel Plants, along with plate 859 of Icones Plantarum

And there are descriptions as well as illustrations-

1. CP plate 128 = FBI Dopatrium lobelioides Benth., having globose capsule = Gratiola hyssopioides of Flora Indica. i. 141., having linear-oblong capsule
2. the plant, https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/indiantreepix/K19PuNKreBg, referred by Garg Sir in this thread, looks more like plate 128 (Coromandel Plants) to me

Relevant plates are attached herewith.

Thank you

Regards,

surajit

[surajit koley]

Sorry, missed plate 203.

Regards,

surajit

[surajit koley]

Dear Sir,

Let's skip the ID of this plant, in this thread, for the time being. Instead, I try to figure out what is Dopatrium lobelioides Benth.

We have two posts in eFI -

1) Prshant Ji - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/LdPWfBFjKK4

2) Dinesh Ji - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/kkMwF8g8WaE and there is Flickr a/c - http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Dopatriumlobelioides&w=91314344@N00&m=tags&z=m

There is a 3rd post. by me, irrelevant here, i have already posted info-plates in this thread.

One more time i paste the url of what efI has labelled as Ilysanthes hyssopioides (L.) Benth. - https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/indiantreepix/K19PuNKreBg.

I pray Puttaraju Ji's permission for modifying (magnifying) part of his uploaded photographs. And i attach the same herewith. I also attach relevant entries from Icones and Flora Indica (on Gratiola lobelioides).

The DATA I find from all these documents (excluding illustrations plates of Icones, Coromandel) -

• I am skipping leaf and capsule descriptions, because there are plenty space to form misconceptions from conflicting data in those descriptions
• peduncles axillary (Roxb.); long peduncled (Roxb.); pedicels capillary (Hooker); longish pedicelled (Wight)
• corolla nearly 5 times the length of the calyx (against 3 or 4 times in Bonnaya hissopioides Benth,)
• as for globose capsule, it is not clear if "IMG_8549.jpg" of Prashnt Ji's post is a capsule; if it is a capsule, i think, we can see same in the modified photo of Pottaraju Ji's post
• even blue markings on corolla are very similar in all the posts discussed here; we can ignore the color  blue or purplish.

The post at https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/indiantreepix/K19PuNKreBg is surely Dopatrium lobelioides Benth. (assuming Dinesh Ji's and Prashant Ji's posts are correctly identified, though have some doubt over one photograph in Dinesh Ji's post).

Thank you

Regards,

surajit

[surajit koley]

One more thing i would like to add that i never mentioned "Haines" in this discussion so far. Attaching entries from Dr. Haines. It is to be noted Dr. Haines used "comb. nov.".

Thank you

Regards,

surajit

[surajit koley]

One person, seemingly from Bangladesh, has a plant that looks similar to my plant in this thread. He identifies it as Torenia - http://icwow.blogspot.in/2012/11/small-wishbone-flower-torenia-thouarsii.html, which i do not think is correct at all!

Thank you

Regards,

surajit

[surajit koley]

A number of pictures of Torenia thouarsii (Cham. & Schltdl.) Kuntze can be found in - http://www.tropicos.org/name/29201882. So, my plant can not be Torenia thouarsii (Cham. & Schltdl.) Kuntze, neither Torenia parviflora (description can be found in FoC or FBI) as have been identified in the blog from Bangladesh.

There are herbarium images of various Gratiola in the Linnean org. - http://linnean-online.org/view/type/specimen/Gratiola.html, e.g. -

• Gratiola hyssopioides - 1)http://linnean-online.org/251/ 2)http://linnean-online.org/252/ 3)http://linnean-online.org/33086/
  
• Gratiola lobelioides - 1)http://linnean-online.org/33090/ 2)http://linnean-online.org/33092/

I think, those two herbarium of G. lobelioides show globose capsules and plants different from what we have in eFI !!!

On the other hand herbarium of G. hyssopioides above very similar to the plant, Lindernia hyssopioides (L.) Haines of eF !!!

Now, who or what is correct? And what about Giby Sir's bearded stamens?

And also what about flower to leaf ratio, as in - http://indiabiodiversity.org/species/show/264031?

Sorry, Vijay Sir and Giby Sir. you may be quite correct.

It turns out that my plant is neither hyssopioides nor lobelioides!

Thank you

Regards,

surajit

[surajit koley]

Is my plant then Gratiola parviflora Roxb.?

The leaves seem to be penninerved (not clear in the photographs, at all).

So, can it be Lindernia anagallis (N. L. Burman) Pennell?

Thank you

Regards,

surajit

[surajit koley]

This is Torenia diffusa Roxb., a complex of Vandellia, Bonnaya, Torenia!!! Thanks to friend from Bangladesh.

Thank you

Regards,

surajit

[Saroj Kumar Kasaju]

Now : Torenia anagallis (Burm.fil.) Wannan, W.R.Barker & Y.S.Liang

https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:77201456-1

Thank you

Saroj Kasaju

[surajit koley]

Thank you, Saroj ji, for providing the latest accepted name of this species.

With regards,

Surajit Koley

[Saroj Kasaju]

OK Surjit ji.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju