Crassulaceae, Combretaceae and Myrtaceae Fortnight: Combretaceae: Crassula sp from Kashmir for ID-GSDEC07

[Gurcharan Singh]

Crassula ? species photographed from Srinagar Kashmir as House plant. Please help in ID.

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

Retired  Associate Professor
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[Abid Munshi]

Dear Singh
Can it be an hybrid like Crassula falcata
Prof. A. H. Munshi

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[Ushadi Micromini]

not crassula

not a jade plant

this is sedum... most likely sedum clavatum

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[Gurcharan Singh]

yes Ushadi, perhaps you are right. It is Sedum

But I think I have S. clavatum

This may be a different species, or a cultivar of S. burrito

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089

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[Ushadi Micromini]

that's what I have said

Sedum clavatum

usha di

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[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Can it be an hybrid like Crassula falcata Prof. A. H. Munshi

not crassula

not a jade plant this is sedum... most likely sedum clavatum usha di

yes Ushadi, perhaps you are right. It is Sedum

But I think I have S. clavatum This may be a different species, or a cultivar of S. burrito Dr. Gurcharan Singh

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For me also Sedum burrito  link:   http://flickrhivemind.net/Tags/burrito,sedum/Interesting

[surajit koley]

Inflorescence doesn't match with any of the suggested id(s). This is possibly a Sedeveria, similar to https://www.etsy.com/in-en/listing/181083347/succulent-plant-sedeveria-blue-giant?ref=market

Thank you

Regards

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[Ushadi Micromini]

Surajit

the leaves in your link are like fingers, longish

not roundish leaves

look about halfway down tha page in this link...

http://www.succulents.us/sedums.html

for sedum clavatum :Sedum clavatum

also ETSY is a site  where housewives sell household stuff  often their own handmade..handgrown etc ... not always scientific ...

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[surajit koley]

Didi,

I admit that you are much much more familiar with these kind of plants. All these are entirely unknown to me. Yet, I do not think it is possible to ID this plant merely based on available images in the net.

You may be correct, more pics at Dave's - http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/200001/, but leaves look like more compact & rosette, inflorescence and flowers also look different to me.

I still think this is some cultivar of Sedeveria - http://crassulaceae.net/xsedeveriamenu/39-xSedeveriacv/544-sedeveria-x-hummellii-engl, not particularly the linked one, neither the one in the housewives' site.

Thank you

Regards

surajit

[Gurcharan Singh]

Ushadi, how about Pachyveria scheideckeri you had suggested for my other upload

 http://www.atomic-plant.de/bilder/Crassula/Pachyveria%20scheideckeri.html

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089

http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ 
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/

[Ushadi Micromini]

no, to this last request

pointed leaves of echeveria are retained in the hybrid...in this lasrt link , Gurcharanji

your present plant does not have pointed leaves

Also its difficult to argue about the exact species in cases of crassulaceae ...
as you all must have seen these two weeks that they hybridize like rabbits, across party lines
and even develop tumor like knobs, sometimes good looking and so,metyimes very ugly... see the ruffled echeveria pitures...

and its almost mindboggling to think  one can  know the exact species based on oneee set or even just one picture...   since they look different in different seasons... there are sites thta show a few such seasonal changes..
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answer would be ultimately to get DNA finger prints and Chromosome numbers etc

I understand that they differ between species and then remain true.

but I am not the person to go to in such botanical studies...

There is an uncanny resemblance to this description and picture on this URL,
url: http://www.succulents.us/sedums.html

I hope it helps

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[Ushadi Micromini]

Surajit

I looked

the last link you have is bw and also shows a somewhat pointed leaf outline...

echeverias have that

sedum does not  ususlly has rounded top end...as is in this case...

Also please look at my response above to Gurcharanji
and all , includes you too.

usha di

On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 7:54 AM, surajit koley <surajitno...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[surajit koley]

Didi,

The link I have provided in my earlier mail informs, in its description of 'SEDEVERIA x Hummellii sp. nov.', "leaves.... at apex obtuish to acute... ."  But, now I change my view.

Two features of this plant are -

1) naked peduncle

2) prominent leaf scar

and third, moonstone like leaves

Google search doesn't provide any image, either of Sedum or Sedeveria or of Echeveria.showing those two characters.

Instead we will have to think of the genus Pachyphytum, something in the line P. oviferum or P. hookeri.

Thank you

Regards

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

The link I have provided in my earlier mail informs, in its description of 'SEDEVERIA x Hummellii sp. nov.', "leaves.... at apex obtuish to acute... ." But, now I change my view.

Two features of this plant are - 1) naked peduncle 2) prominent leaf scar and third, moonstone like leaves   Google search doesn't provide any image, either of Sedum or Sedeveria or of Echeveria.showing those two characters. Instead we will have to think of the genus Pachyphytum, something in the line P. oviferum or P. hookeri. Thank you

Regards Suarjit

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[Ushadi Micromini]

Surajit
and all

Pachyphytum is most likely out since they tend to have pointed ends to the succulent leaves and their flowering spikes are also different..

Gurcharanji

is this in a  house you can access now?

so what is the follow up?

would love to know...

usha di

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[surajit koley]

Didi,

I do not agree with with your leaf diagnosis, not sure about inflorescence. Neither do I claim this is Pachyphytum, for there is look alike/

Thank you

Regards

surajit

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[Ushadi Micromini]

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as Crassulaceae member- Srinagar, Kashmir

Group discussion at

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as Crassulaceae member- Srinagar, Kashmir

Group discussion at

Crassulaceae, Combretaceae and Myrtaceae Fortnight: Combretaceae: Crassula sp from Kashmir for ID-GSDEC07 (google.com)

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