201210-PR -For ID-Chennai.

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Padmini Raghavan

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Dec 20, 2010, 12:35:52 PM12/20/10
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Please help me id the tree whose varied leaves I have photographed. Photography is not permitted in the Agri-hort garden, hence I have snapped some of the fallen leaves.
Someone has given me a hint that the leaves belong to a tree called the "Mad Tree" , SOMETHING diversifolia.
Please help me identify the "SOMETHING"
Thanks,
Padmini Raghavan.
Tree at Agri-Horti 001.jpg
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Vijayasankar

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Dec 20, 2010, 12:49:44 PM12/20/10
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It may be Pterospermum diversifolium.
 
Regards
 
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Neil Soares

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Dec 20, 2010, 1:23:35 PM12/20/10
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Hi,
  This is Pterygota alata 'diversifolia' also called the 'Mad Tree'.
                         Regards,
                           Neil Soares.

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tanay bose

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Dec 20, 2010, 1:54:27 PM12/20/10
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Yes Pterygota alata, I first saw this tree in Indian Botanic garden as this plant has no prefect leaf shape 
hence its called a mad tree
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Neil Soares

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Dec 20, 2010, 11:27:38 PM12/20/10
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Hi Tanay,
  Close but not exactly - it is called the 'Mad Tree' because no two of its leaves are of the same shape.
                 Regards,
                   Neil.

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Vijayasankar

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Dec 20, 2010, 11:43:34 PM12/20/10
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Thanks Mr.Neil, for the id and etymology.
The tri-lobed leaf in the picture deceived me to give that name.


Regards
 
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Vijayasankar Raman, Ph.D.
Post Doctoral Research Associate
National Center for Natural Products Research
Thad Cochran Research Center
University of Mississippi, Oxford, MS 38677
Phone: +1 662 915 1018



mani nair

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Dec 20, 2010, 11:58:05 PM12/20/10
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Padmini ji, good you collected the fallen leaves. I am very curious as to why photography is not allowed in the Agri-hort garden?

Regards,

Mani.

Pankaj Kumar

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Dec 21, 2010, 12:12:57 AM12/21/10
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People give very peculiar names to the plants based on their
perception and sometimes these names continue their use in local
language. Some times they even relate it to religion by attaching some
god's name to it. Thats a way of local nomenclature. It does help a
lot at time whereas creates confusion too. One such example is HABE
AMRI, which is a broken, molested, marathi word for HABENARIA and
nothign else according to me.

The plant growing in Howrah Botanic Garden which is called Mad Tree is
Chrysophyllum cainito. Bengalis also call it rasogulla tree, I imagine
why dont they call it Gulab Jamun tree as the fruits are dark bluish
brinjal or brown like a Gulab Jamun.

Pterygota alata "diversifolia" is called Mad Tree or Buddha's coconut!!

Regards
Pankaj


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Pardeshi S.

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Dec 21, 2010, 12:26:25 AM12/21/10
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I had seen the Mad tree at Acharya Jagadish Chandra Bose Indian
Botanical Garden, Howrah, it is Pterygota alata.
Regards
Satish Pardeshi
> > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Neil Soares <drneilsoa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> >> Hi Tanay,
> >>   Close but not exactly - it is called the 'Mad Tree' because no two of its leaves are of the same shape.
> >>                  Regards,
> >>                    Neil.
>
> >> --- On Tue, 12/21/10, tanay bose <tanaybos...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> From: tanay bose <tanaybos...@gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:57529] 201210-PR -For ID-Chennai.
> >> To: "Neil Soares" <drneilsoa...@yahoo.com>
> >> Cc: "indiantreepix" <indian...@googlegroups.com>, "Padmini Raghavan" <padi...@gmail.com>
> >> Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 12:24 AM
>
> >> Yes Pterygota alata, I first saw this tree in Indian Botanic garden as this plant has no prefect leaf shape
> >> hence its called a mad tree
> >> Tanay
>
> >> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Neil Soares <drneilsoa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> Hi,
> >>   This is Pterygota alata 'diversifolia' also called the 'Mad Tree'.
> >>                          Regards,
> >>                            Neil Soares.
>
> >> --- On Mon, 12/20/10, Padmini Raghavan <padi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Mahadeswara

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Dec 21, 2010, 5:51:04 AM12/21/10
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Attn: Dr. Padmini,
You may photograph this plant in Theosophical society, Adyar, Chennai.
>  Tree at Agri-Horti 001.jpg
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>  Tree at Agri-Horti 002.jpg
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>  Tree at Agri-Horti 003.jpg
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Mahadeswara

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Dec 21, 2010, 5:51:50 AM12/21/10
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Sorry it is tree, I mentioned it as plant in my previous mail.

On Dec 20, 10:35 pm, Padmini Raghavan <padi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Satish Phadke

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Dec 21, 2010, 10:17:20 AM12/21/10
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One person also told me about a mad tree in Kolkata botanical garden but I couldn't locate it.......

Padmini Raghavan

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Dec 22, 2010, 1:51:55 PM12/22/10
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Now you are making me doubt whether the tree I took to be the Buddha Coconut, in Bangalore , is really that.
Its leaves are so uniform and different from this Mad Tree.
Please do confirm.
Thanks,
Padmini Raghavan.

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Neil Soares

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Dec 22, 2010, 9:16:30 PM12/22/10
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Hi,
 The tree featured here is Buddha's Coconut [Pterygota alata]. The 'Mad Tree' [Pterygota alata 'diversifolia'] is a varient of this. It is propagated by cuttings or air-layering.
                          With regards,
                            Neil Soares.

Padmini Raghavan

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Dec 23, 2010, 12:32:30 PM12/23/10
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Hi Neil,
Thanks for the explanation. Does this mean that this is an aberration like the Ficus Krishnae which is obtained only from cuttings?
I sowed seeds of the Buddha Coconut and the leaves of the saplings are just like the parent tree.
Rgds,
Padmini Raghavan.

Neil Soares

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Dec 23, 2010, 9:35:15 PM12/23/10
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Affirmative Padmini,
              Regards,
               Neil Soares.
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