Re: [efloraofindia:0] Scrophulariaceae for ID? 010810-PKA1

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tanay bose

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Aug 1, 2010, 2:19:13 AM8/1/10
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Lindernia crustacea I hope!!


Tanay


On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Prashant awale <pka...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Friends,

Came across this small herb at Purandar fort. ID pl.

Date/Time: 31-07-2010 / 11:45AM

Location: Purandar fort

Habitat: Wild
Plant habit: Herb (Hardly 10 cm high).
Leaves almost sessile, toothed.

regards
Prashant



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Prashant awale

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Aug 1, 2010, 2:15:16 AM8/1/10
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Dinesh Valke

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Aug 1, 2010, 1:08:38 PM8/1/10
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... me too think it to be Lindernia.
Most possibly a species else than L. crustacea.

Familiar with the sepals of L. crustacea -- tube-like, with teeth ... here, they are deeply divided.
Other observations:
... the leaves here have more of serrated margin than what have been seeing in L. crustacea ... dentate.
... the flower size here looks comparatively larger, almost twice that of L. crustacea.

Not sure of morphological variations.

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Prashant awale

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Aug 1, 2010, 1:10:35 PM8/1/10
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Any possibilities of Mazus sp.
regards
Prashant

Dr Pankaj Kumar

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Aug 1, 2010, 1:55:17 PM8/1/10
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Lindernia seems better to me for this......but I have never seen
pinkish one before.
Pankaj

Dinesh Valke

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Aug 2, 2010, 9:21:48 AM8/2/10
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Dear friends, attaching a photo of same (exact) plant.
Regards.
P1210938.jpg

shrikant ingalhalikar

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Aug 2, 2010, 10:46:07 AM8/2/10
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Yes Dinesh, your pic shows the winged calyx to call this Torenia
indica. Regards, Shrikant

On Aug 2, 6:21 pm, Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear friends, attaching a photo of same (exact) plant.
> Regards.
>
> On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Dr Pankaj Kumar <sahanipan...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
> > Lindernia seems better to me for this......but I have never seen
> > pinkish one before.
> > Pankaj
>
>
>
>  P1210938.jpg
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Joshi Pankaj

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Aug 3, 2010, 12:53:05 AM8/3/10
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Dear All Group Members,
May...Lindernia ciliata...we have also a same plant having pinkish purple flowers.
 
***********************************************
Pankaj N. Joshi, Ph.D
Jr. Scientist
Gujarat Institute of Desert Ecology (GUIDE)
Post Box # 83, Opp. Changleshwar Temple,
Mundra Road, Bhuj- Kachchh
Gujarat: 370 001 (India)
Phone: +91 2832 235025, 329408; Fax: 235027
Cell: +91 94269 49523
Optional E-mail: pranav...@rediffmail.com
***********************************************



From: Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com>
To: Dr Pankaj Kumar <sahani...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Mon, 2 August, 2010 6:51:48 PM
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:43205] Re: Scrophulariaceae for ID? 010810-PKA1

Dinesh Valke

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Aug 3, 2010, 12:58:09 AM8/3/10
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Shrikant ji has resolved the ID to Torenia indica.
Many thanks, Pankaj Joshi ji.

Regards.

Gurcharan Singh

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Aug 3, 2010, 1:59:23 AM8/3/10
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Dinesh ji
To me the true identity is still elusive!!. The calyx of Torenia indica is large and conspicuously winged, not seen in your photographs. May be close up of the flower, especially side view will resolve the issue.



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Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
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Dinesh Valke

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Aug 3, 2010, 2:24:21 AM8/3/10
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OK, Gurcharan ji ... saw what you mean in Prashant's album at Picasa ... http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/02sbDF5PX2KEK8b7hihvDw
Will wait for more comments to come to resolve ID of this plant.

My closest possible capture is already attached; re-attaching for quick review.
P1210938.jpg

Smilax004

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Aug 3, 2010, 3:32:37 AM8/3/10
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Hi,

Undoubtedly it is Lindernia sp (Scrophulariaceae), although am not
able to reach the species without having the specimen in hand. You
need details of capsules as well for species id.

Regards,
Giby




On Aug 3, 11:24 am, Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> wrote:
> OK, Gurcharan ji ... saw what you mean in Prashant's album at Picasa ...http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/02sbDF5PX2KEK8b7hihvDw
> Will wait for more comments to come to resolve ID of this plant.
>
> My closest possible capture is already attached; re-attaching for quick
> review.
>
> Regards.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dinesh ji
> > To me the true identity is still elusive!!. The calyx of Torenia indica is
> > large and conspicuously winged, not seen in your photographs. May be close
> > up of the flower, especially side view will resolve the issue.
>
> > --
> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh
> > Retired  Associate Professor
> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
> > Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
> >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/<http://people.du.ac.in/%7Esinghg45/>
>
> > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >> Shrikant ji has resolved the ID to *Torenia indica*.
> >> Many thanks, Pankaj Joshi ji.
>
> >> Regards.
>
> >> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Joshi Pankaj <joshi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Dear All Group Members,
> >>> May...*Lindernia ciliata*...we have also a same plant having pinkish
> >>> purple flowers.
>
> >>> ***********************************************
> >>> Pankaj N. Joshi, Ph.D
> >>> Jr. Scientist
> >>> Gujarat Institute of Desert Ecology (GUIDE)
> >>> Post Box # 83, Opp. Changleshwar Temple,
> >>> Mundra Road, Bhuj- Kachchh
> >>> Gujarat: 370 001 (India)
> >>> Phone: +91 2832 235025, 329408; Fax: 235027
> >>> Cell: +91 94269 49523
> >>> Optional E-mail: pranav_pan...@rediffmail.com
> >>> ***********************************************
>
> >>>  ------------------------------
> >>> *From:* Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com>
> >>> *To:* Dr Pankaj Kumar <sahanipan...@gmail.com>
> >>> *Cc:* efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
> >>> *Sent:* Mon, 2 August, 2010 6:51:48 PM
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [efloraofindia:43205] Re: Scrophulariaceae for ID?
> >>> 010810-PKA1
>
> >>> Dear friends, attaching a photo of same (exact) plant.
> >>> Regards.
>
> >>> On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Dr Pankaj Kumar <sahanipan...@gmail.com
> >>> > wrote:
>
> >>>> Lindernia seems better to me for this......but I have never seen
> >>>> pinkish one before.
> >>>> Pankaj
>
>
>
>  P1210938.jpg
> 89KViewDownload

Gurcharan Singh

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Aug 3, 2010, 3:40:50 AM8/3/10
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Perhaps it would be interesting to know the species of Lindernia reported from the region. Lindernia appears to be the likely choice.


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Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

Pardeshi S.

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Aug 3, 2010, 4:09:25 AM8/3/10
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For proper identification of Lindernia species it is importnat to have
description of the capsules and number of stamens. L. crustacea is
quiet common and i am sure this plant is not L. crustacea.

Regards
Satish Pardeshi

On Aug 3, 11:24 am, Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> wrote:
> OK, Gurcharan ji ... saw what you mean in Prashant's album at Picasa ...http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/02sbDF5PX2KEK8b7hihvDw
> Will wait for more comments to come to resolve ID of this plant.
>
> My closest possible capture is already attached; re-attaching for quick
> review.
>
> Regards.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dinesh ji
> > To me the true identity is still elusive!!. The calyx of Torenia indica is
> > large and conspicuously winged, not seen in your photographs. May be close
> > up of the flower, especially side view will resolve the issue.
>
> > --
> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh
> > Retired  Associate Professor
> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
> > Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
> >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/<http://people.du.ac.in/%7Esinghg45/>
>
> > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >> Shrikant ji has resolved the ID to *Torenia indica*.
> >> Many thanks, Pankaj Joshi ji.
>
> >> Regards.
>
> >> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Joshi Pankaj <joshi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Dear All Group Members,
> >>> May...*Lindernia ciliata*...we have also a same plant having pinkish
> >>> purple flowers.
>
> >>> ***********************************************
> >>> Pankaj N. Joshi, Ph.D
> >>> Jr. Scientist
> >>> Gujarat Institute of Desert Ecology (GUIDE)
> >>> Post Box # 83, Opp. Changleshwar Temple,
> >>> Mundra Road, Bhuj- Kachchh
> >>> Gujarat: 370 001 (India)
> >>> Phone: +91 2832 235025, 329408; Fax: 235027
> >>> Cell: +91 94269 49523
> >>> Optional E-mail: pranav_pan...@rediffmail.com
> >>> ***********************************************
>
> >>>  ------------------------------
> >>> *From:* Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com>
> >>> *To:* Dr Pankaj Kumar <sahanipan...@gmail.com>
> >>> *Cc:* efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
> >>> *Sent:* Mon, 2 August, 2010 6:51:48 PM
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [efloraofindia:43205] Re: Scrophulariaceae for ID?
> >>> 010810-PKA1
>
> >>> Dear friends, attaching a photo of same (exact) plant.
> >>> Regards.
>
> >>> On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Dr Pankaj Kumar <sahanipan...@gmail.com
> >>> > wrote:
>
> >>>> Lindernia seems better to me for this......but I have never seen
> >>>> pinkish one before.
> >>>> Pankaj
>
>
>
>  P1210938.jpg
> 89KViewDownload

Neil Soares

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Aug 3, 2010, 9:01:16 AM8/3/10
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Hi Prof.Singh,
   Would say that Lindernia ciliata is one of the commonest of the species around here. Sending one of my photographs for comparison.
                        With regards,
                          Neil Soares.

--- On Tue, 8/3/10, Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:43280] Re: Scrophulariaceae for ID? 010810-PKA1
To: "Smilax004" <giby.ku...@gmail.com>
Cc: "efloraofindia" <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 3, 2010, 1:10 PM

Perhaps it would be interesting to know the species of Lindernia reported from the region. Lindernia appears to be the likely choice.

-- 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Smilax004 <giby.ku...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

Undoubtedly it is Lindernia sp (Scrophulariaceae), although am not
able to reach the species without having the specimen in hand. You
need details of capsules as well for species id.

Regards,
Giby
Lindernia ciliata & Ophioglossum sp..jpg

Gurcharan Singh

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Aug 3, 2010, 9:39:07 AM8/3/10
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Pradeshi ji & Neil ji
With L. ciliata out of picture because of its distinctive spine-tipped leaf margin, and comparing with species on FOI website, L. crustacea seems to be the closest call. But we have to keep in mind the opinion of Pardeshi ji who is so familiar with the plants of the area.



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Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

tanay bose

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Aug 5, 2010, 2:51:49 AM8/5/10
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Torenia
indica isnew two ne
tanay

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