Re: Impatiens devendrae Pusalkar

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 4:22 PM Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Members,

Location: Jumla, Nepal

Altitude:  2481m.

Date: 18 August 2021 

Habit : Wild 

If ID is correct, it would be a new sp. for NepaL.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

[Saroj Kasaju]

[Saroj Kasaju]

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Saroj ji, for the wonderful images.

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[Nidhan Singh]

Saroj Ji,

Though our young Balsam expert will have his say, I think you are right in identification..

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[Wojciech Adamowski]

These plants look similar to what was identified recently as I. devendrae.

There are many less or more similar observations on iNaturalist, with and without rusty markings, with more or less inflated lower sepal, with more white or more rosa (even yellow) flowers and with different shapes of spur.

Several years ago I found old illustration http://www.plantillustrations.org/illustration.php?id_illustration=4045&id_taxon=1379&mobile=0&SID=70ansemq79q2tuss0oajhs0ha3&language=English&thumbnails_selectable=0&selected_thumbnail=0&query_type=species&query_broad_or_restricted=broad&group=0&lay_out=0&uhd=0

very similar to I. devendrae. Plant there was called I. amphorata.

Now, Akiyama (Akiyama S. 2021. Impatiens (Balsaminaceae) of Nepal (1) An Identification Key and Taxonomy of the Species of Sections Uniflorae, Fasciculatae and Axilliflorae. Bulletin of the National Museum of Nature and Science. Series B, Botany 47(2): 79-101.  and Akiyama S. 2021. Impatiens (Balsaminaceae) of Nepal (2): Taxonomy of the Species of Sections Racemosae and Sulcatae. Bull. Natl. Mus. Nat. Sci., Ser. B, 47(4): 193–220. DOI: 10.50826/bnmnsbot.47.4_193 use name I. amphorata.

I think for the time being these plants should be called I. amphorata.

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you Mr. Garg 

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you Nidhan Sir !

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

https://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Bicolor%20Balsam.html  ??

https://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Amphora%20Balsam.html  ??

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Tabish]

Impatiens amphorata should not be a synonym of Impatiens bicolor, which has yellow and pink bicolor flowers.

The name Impatiens amphorata was originally used for the pink colored species

  http://plantillustrations.org/illustration.php?id_illustration=4045&id_taxon=1379

This species is now Impatiens bicolor var. devendrae, as per

 http://brc.amu.edu.pl/Typifications-new-combinations-and-new-synonyms-in-Indian-Impatiens-Balsaminaceae,136272,0,2.html

  Tabish

[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Tabish, 

Any opinion on your two sp. ??

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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[Tabish]

I just saw Wojciech's post in this thread which I earlier missed. I am happy to see that this plant is now called Impatiens amphorata. Many years back Wojciech had said in this forum that the species which was described as Impatiens devendrae, was the same which was originally called Impatiens amphorata, but for some some reason got mixed up with Impatiens bicolor. I will happily go with Impatiens amphorata. I too think that Saroj's plant is Impatiens amphorata, known from Nepal according to Impatiens (Balsaminaceae) of Nepal (1) by Akiyama.

   Best wishes

   Tabish

[Wojciech Adamowski]

Paper by Singh et al. produce a lot of noise and give little information...

In our paper (see https://www.researchgate.net/publication/356377643_Misinterpretations_and_plagiarism_in_a_publication_about_Himalayan_Impatiens_polemics_with_the_paper_of_Singh_RK_et_al_2021) we polemize with Singh et al., showing weakness of field and literature studies.

We don't include I. devendrae in our paper, as we have not enough material for this difficult group.

If time allow, I will prepare a file dealing with I. amphorata/I. devendrae and add it to my project on RG. I don't think however I will be able to do so before autumn, as my field season starts soon.

Best regards           Wojciech Adamowski

[Saroj Kasaju]

OK Dr. Adamowski.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

Any updates Dr. Adamowski ??

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

The Leaves look matching but the flowers look different.

https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/4073238444

https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/4073251100

https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2514323779

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you Dr. Adamowski.

Saroj Kasaju

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From: Wojciech Adamowski <kruszc...@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, Sep 4, 2023 at 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:419107] Re: Impatiens devendrae Pusalkar
To: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

I suppose all three specimens are misidentifications of I. balfourii

Regards          Wojciech Adamowski