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Padmanabhan Geetha

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Apr 7, 2009, 12:15:34 AM4/7/09
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Posted is a hardy climber found on the road side ( foothills of the forest) as well as on the hills of Velliangiri.Very mild fragrance. Photographed last month. Request id
thanks and best wishes
geetha
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J.M. Garg

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Apr 7, 2009, 12:33:07 AM4/7/09
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I think it's being used as a hedge. I not getting the name right now.

2009/4/7 Padmanabhan Geetha <iye...@gmail.com>
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J.M. Garg

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Apr 7, 2009, 12:40:18 AM4/7/09
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Hi, Geetha ji,
Thanks, Suresh ji for giving me the clue.
I think it's Clerodendrum inerme with stamens falling off.

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Clerodendrum inerme  Verbenaceae Seaside clerodendrum, Common Hedge Bower, Van-jai/ Koynel  near mangroves in Uran, across the harbour from Mumbai city. at Diva Creek, Dombivali.  Clerodendrum inerme - Seaside clerodendrum (Lamiaceae) - Plants of Hawaii Clerodendrum sps. - indiantreepix | Google Groups Common Hedge Bower - indiantreepix | Google Groups Hedge Plant for ID-5 - indiantreepix | Google Groups

2009/4/7 J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
I think it's being used as a hedge. I not getting the name right now.

2009/4/7 Padmanabhan Geetha <iye...@gmail.com>

Dear Friends
Posted is a hardy climber found on the road side ( foothills of the forest) as well as on the hills of Velliangiri.Very mild fragrance. Photographed last month. Request id
thanks and best wishes
geetha

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satish phadke

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Apr 7, 2009, 12:50:33 AM4/7/09
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Some Jasminum species. Close to J. malabaricum.....?
Satish

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Neil Soares

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Apr 7, 2009, 12:55:08 AM4/7/09
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Hi Mr.Garg and Geetha,
   It is Karvanda a Carissa spp.
              Regards,
                Neil.

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Subject: [indiantreepix:10341] Re: 070409 woody climber for id
To: "Padmanabhan Geetha" <iye...@gmail.com>
Cc: "indiantreepix" <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 10:10 AM

Hi, Geetha ji,
Thanks, Suresh ji for giving me the clue.
I think it's Clerodendrum inerme with stamens falling off.

More details from Indiantreepix Database:


Clerodendrum inerme  Verbenaceae Seaside clerodendrum, Common Hedge Bower, Van-jai/ Koynel  near mangroves in Uran, across the harbour from Mumbai city. at Diva Creek, Dombivali.  Clerodendrum inerme - Seaside clerodendrum (Lamiaceae) - Plants of Hawaii Clerodendrum sps. - indiantreepix | Google Groups Common Hedge Bower - indiantreepix | Google Groups Hedge Plant for ID-5 - indiantreepix | Google Groups

2009/4/7 J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
I think it's being used as a hedge. I not getting the name right now.

2009/4/7 Padmanabhan Geetha <iye...@gmail.com>

Dear Friends
Posted is a hardy climber found on the road side ( foothills of the forest) as well as on the hills of Velliangiri.Very mild fragrance. Photographed last month. Request id
thanks and best wishes
geetha

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J.M. Garg

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Apr 7, 2009, 1:10:57 AM4/7/09
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Stephen A

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Apr 7, 2009, 1:11:56 AM4/7/09
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I second Dr. Neils' point of view.
It could be Carissa spinarum.

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Padmanabhan Geetha

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Apr 7, 2009, 1:14:07 AM4/7/09
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Dear Mr. Stephen, Dr. Neil , Garg ji
thanks so much
geetha

J.M. Garg

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Apr 7, 2009, 1:25:50 AM4/7/09
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Thanks, Stepen ji, for the feedback.
But from pictures of Carissa spinarum at FOI: http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Wild%20Karanda.html, Geetha ji's photos appear to be matching only with photos of Carissa congesta, I posted earlier.

2009/4/7 Stephen A <stephan...@gmail.com>

I second Dr. Neils' point of view.
It could be Carissa spinarum.

Regards,

Stephen...
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Padmanabhan Geetha <iye...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Friends
Posted is a hardy climber found on the road side ( foothills of the forest) as well as on the hills of Velliangiri.Very mild fragrance. Photographed last month. Request id
thanks and best wishes
geetha

Think B4U Print
1 ream of paper = 6% of a tree and 5.4kg CO2 in the atmosphere
3 sheets of A4 paper = 1 litre of water
+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------+
"Lets Protect What We Enjoy"

Stephen A

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Apr 7, 2009, 2:34:42 AM4/7/09
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Yea, I do agree with You,

Regards,

Stephen...

2009/4/7 Stephen A <stephan...@gmail.com>
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Padmanabhan Geetha

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Apr 7, 2009, 4:03:00 AM4/7/09
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Yes Garg ji all morphological features fit Carissa congesta and the description at the flowers of India site fits exactly with the plant i saw and phtographed. the climbing habitat a similarity with Bougainvillea  is very striking.
Thank you
geetha

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Rohit Patel

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Apr 7, 2009, 7:04:32 AM4/7/09
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YES I AM AGREE THAT THIS IS PHOTO OF CARRISA SPINARUM (APOCYNACEAE FAMILY).
 
 
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Devendra Bhardwaj

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Apr 7, 2009, 8:37:28 AM4/7/09
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Hello Geetha ji,
  This is Carissa carandas .Hindi name-Karonda used in vegitable.Very sour.
With Regard
Devendra Bhardwaj


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From: Padmanabhan Geetha <iye...@gmail.com>
Subject: [indiantreepix:10339] 070409 woody climber for id
To: "indiantreepix" <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, 7 April, 2009, 9:45 AM

Dear Friends
Posted is a hardy climber found on the road side ( foothills of the forest) as well as on the hills of Velliangiri.Very mild fragrance. Photographed last month. Request id
thanks and best wishes
geetha


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Devendra Bhardwaj

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Apr 7, 2009, 8:44:18 AM4/7/09
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No sir this is Carissa carandas .
Devendra Bhardwaj


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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Subject: [indiantreepix:10341] Re: 070409 woody climber for id
To: "Padmanabhan Geetha" <iye...@gmail.com>
Cc: "indiantreepix" <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, 7 April, 2009, 10:10 AM

Hi, Geetha ji,
Thanks, Suresh ji for giving me the clue.
I think it's Clerodendrum inerme with stamens falling off.

More details from Indiantreepix Database:


Clerodendrum inerme  Verbenaceae Seaside clerodendrum, Common Hedge Bower, Van-jai/ Koynel  near mangroves in Uran, across the harbour from Mumbai city. at Diva Creek, Dombivali.  Clerodendrum inerme - Seaside clerodendrum (Lamiaceae) - Plants of Hawaii Clerodendrum sps. - indiantreepix | Google Groups Common Hedge Bower - indiantreepix | Google Groups Hedge Plant for ID-5 - indiantreepix | Google Groups

2009/4/7 J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
I think it's being used as a hedge.. I not getting the name right now.

2009/4/7 Padmanabhan Geetha <iye...@gmail.com>

Dear Friends
Posted is a hardy climber found on the road side ( foothills of the forest) as well as on the hills of Velliangiri.Very mild fragrance. Photographed last month. Request id
thanks and best wishes
geetha

Creating Awareness about Indian Flora & Fauna:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1
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J.M. Garg

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Apr 7, 2009, 8:59:48 AM4/7/09
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Hi, Rohit ji,
But from pictures of Carissa spinarum at FOI: http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Wild%20Karanda.html, Geetha ji's photos appear to be matching only with photos of Carissa congesta & not with Carissa spinarum.

2009/4/7 Rohit Patel <rmpec...@gmail.com>

YES I AM AGREE THAT THIS IS PHOTO OF CARRISA SPINARUM (APOCYNACEAE FAMILY).
 
 
BEST REGRADS TO ALL
 
ROHIT KUMAR PATEL
 

Padmanabhan Geetha

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Apr 7, 2009, 10:00:46 AM4/7/09
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Dear Devendra ji
 Carissa congesta/carandas is what the flowers of India website says. The descrition given there is perfect for the plant
 i saw and photographed. If you feel this is not C congesta but C caranda
then please let me know the differences between the two in order to recognise it in field.
best wishes
geetha

J.M. Garg

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Apr 7, 2009, 10:18:31 AM4/7/09
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Hi, Geetha ji,
C. carandas is a synonym of Carissa congesta. I think no more confusion.

satish phadke

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Apr 7, 2009, 10:45:03 AM4/7/09
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I think the confusion started because of the words in the headline..........woody."hardy climber".
Otherwise the ID was straight forward. Carissa is a shrub. The drooping long branches appear like a climber.
Satish

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Neil Soares

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Apr 7, 2009, 12:49:10 PM4/7/09
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Hi Satish,
    Carissa congesta [Karvanda] is a large variable erect, suberect or scandent shrub. It has even climbed to the top of my Banyan tree. Sending you a few photographs.
                          Regards,
                            Neil.

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Padmanabhan Geetha

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Apr 7, 2009, 11:37:00 PM4/7/09
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Satish ji
The plant i saw was climbing like a Bougainvillea ( the stems too were thick) and had reached the upper branches of a tree.  Hence the description.
geetha

satish phadke

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Apr 8, 2009, 10:14:28 AM4/8/09
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Thanks Geetha ji and Neil ji
Now the ID is still more certain due to the apt description of Carissa congesta.
We call it Karawandachi jali in Marathi because of its such nature....... it seems.
Satish
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Apr 8, 2009, 2:20:43 PM4/8/09
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Hi,
  Have written on this subject before, either on this site or on wildflowersofindia.
Carissa congesta is distinct from Carissa carandas .The difference is mainly geographical and in the number of seeds in the fruit.
 While C.congesta is found more in and around Bombay, C.carandas is found more in the southern [peninsular] part of India.
 C.congesta has 1-4 seeds depending on the size of the fruit, but the number never exceeds 4. 
 C.carandas has 4-8 seeds.
                   With regards,
                     Neil Soares.


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Dinesh Valke

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Apr 8, 2009, 2:27:08 PM4/8/09
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... that is enlightening, Neil ji - thanks.
Regards.

J.M. Garg

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Apr 8, 2009, 11:05:07 PM4/8/09
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Thanks, Neil ji, for the feedback.
 

Padmanabhan Geetha

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Apr 8, 2009, 11:55:05 PM4/8/09
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Thanks Neil ji,
Shall keep a look out for the fruits.
best wishes
geetha

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Neil Soares

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Apr 9, 2009, 12:33:56 AM4/9/09
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Hi Mr.Garg,
   My reference is Dr. Almeida's 'Flora of Maharashtra'. Have also had long discussions with him on this.
                     Regards,
                       Neil.


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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Subject: [indiantreepix:10445] Re: 070409 woody climber for id
To: drneil...@yahoo.com
Cc: "satish phadke" <phadke...@gmail.com>, indian...@googlegroups.com, "Dinesh Valke" <dinesh...@gmail.com>, "Padmanabhan Geetha" <iye...@gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 8:35 AM

Thanks, Neil ji, for the feedback.
 
2009/4/8 <drneil...@yahoo.com>
Hi,

J.M. Garg

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Apr 9, 2009, 12:56:30 AM4/9/09
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Thanks, Neil ji.
I hardly know any botany & its intricacies. But such a minor variation as to the number of seeds should not better be a variety rather than a different species all together. May be we understand a few things by such discussions.


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