Primula malacoides Franch. (accepted name) or Primula forbesii (accepted name)

[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Members,

Location: Godawari, Nepal

Altitude: 5000 ft.

Date: 10 January 2017

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[chrischa...@btinternet.com]

Very good set of images.  I shall comment further in due course.

[J.M. Garg]

Superb images,  Saroj ji

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you Mr. Garg!

Waiting for ID verification !

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

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From: Dr. Amal Bawri
Date: 26 January 2017 at 12:14
Subject: Re: Fwd: Primula malacoides Franch. (accepted name) or Primula forbesii (accepted name)
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Primula malacoides

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you Dr. Bawri for the ID but not listef in Nepal so far!

[C CHADWELL]

I have NOT looked closely at the photos posted but have reservations about the identification of P.malacoides unless it was being cultivated at Godawari.  It is not a native of Nepal and has not previously been recorded as naturalised.

In the UK it is still (according to Professor Richards) a popular plant for heated glasshouse and conservatory culture.  It has been seen (by Richards) to be grown as a municipal bedding plant in Sydney, Auckland, Christchurch & Singapore.

In the wild it is distributed from just outside Myanamar on the Yunnan border near the Salween, throughout Yunnnan to western 

Kweichow.  A weed of cultivated fields.

Richards described it as closely-related to another weed species, Primula forbesii.

Whereas, P.forbesii had been recorded around temples near Kathmandu (and some other parts of Nepal) - confirmed by Richards. Though I remain curious as to how it got there as this species, though pretty enough, is hardly a normal garden plant.

In 'Primula' (2003) Richards has a key which separates P.forbesii from P.malacoides (and some other species) on the basis of

the former species having the lowest whorl of flowers overtopping the leaves.  In the latter, the stem below lowest whorl of flowers

not exceeding the leaves.

Perhaps, again, the best person to confirm the identity is Professor Richards, so why not forward him the images, as was done

with two other Primulas.

 

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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Thanks,  Chadwell ji

On 26 Jan 2017 10:28 p.m., "C CHADWELL" <chrischa...@btinternet.com> wrote:

I have NOT looked closely at the photos posted but have reservations about the identification of P.malacoides unless it was being cultivated at Godawari.  It is not a native of Nepal and has not previously been recorded as naturalised.

In the UK it is still (according to Professor Richards) a popular plant for heated glasshouse and conservatory culture.  It has been seen (by Richards) to be grown as a municipal bedding plant in Sydney, Auckland, Christchurch & Singapore.

In the wild it is distributed from just outside Myanamar on the Yunnan border near the Salween, throughout Yunnnan to western 

Kweichow.  A weed of cultivated fields.

Richards described it as closely-related to another weed species, Primula forbesii.

Whereas, P.forbesii had been recorded around temples near Kathmandu (and some other parts of Nepal) - confirmed by Richards. Though I remain curious as to how it got there as this species, though pretty enough, is hardly a normal garden plant.

In 'Primula' (2003) Richards has a key which separates P.forbesii from P.malacoides (and some other species) on the basis of

the former species having the lowest whorl of flowers overtopping the leaves.  In the latter, the stem below lowest whorl of flowers

not exceeding the leaves.

Perhaps, again, the best person to confirm the identity is Professor Richards, so why not forward him the images, as was done

with two other Primulas.

 

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Chris,

Found plenty of this plant along the walls of water canal just outside the enclosure of protected garden inside the Godawari Botanical Garden .

I guess they might have introduced in the garden.

Thank you .

Saroj Kasaju 

On 27 Jan 2017 10:09, "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks,  Chadwell ji

On 26 Jan 2017 10:28 p.m., "C CHADWELL" <chrischadwell261@btinternet.com> wrote:

I have NOT looked closely at the photos posted but have reservations about the identification of P.malacoides unless it was being cultivated at Godawari.  It is not a native of Nepal and has not previously been recorded as naturalised.

In the UK it is still (according to Professor Richards) a popular plant for heated glasshouse and conservatory culture.  It has been seen (by Richards) to be grown as a municipal bedding plant in Sydney, Auckland, Christchurch & Singapore.

In the wild it is distributed from just outside Myanamar on the Yunnan border near the Salween, throughout Yunnnan to western 

Kweichow.  A weed of cultivated fields.

Richards described it as closely-related to another weed species, Primula forbesii.

Whereas, P.forbesii had been recorded around temples near Kathmandu (and some other parts of Nepal) - confirmed by Richards. Though I remain curious as to how it got there as this species, though pretty enough, is hardly a normal garden plant.

In 'Primula' (2003) Richards has a key which separates P.forbesii from P.malacoides (and some other species) on the basis of

the former species having the lowest whorl of flowers overtopping the leaves.  In the latter, the stem below lowest whorl of flowers

not exceeding the leaves.

Perhaps, again, the best person to confirm the identity is Professor Richards, so why not forward him the images, as was done

with two other Primulas.

 

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

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[C CHADWELL]

OK.  This adds up.  Though would still be worth approaching Professor Richards for his opinion as to identification - plants

is cultivation often get mixed-up by various means and are not always a single pure species.

ANY plant growing anywhere near habitation in Nepal could easily be a cultivated plant - even if 'naturalised' to an extent, which

the Primula you photographed appears to have be.

Primula forbesii does appear to have been naturalised for decades in Nepal as have numerous other PROMINENT plants.

The Supplement to Flowers of the Himalaya has 2 photos of Euphorbia pulcherrima (known as 'Poinsetta') which is a native of

Central America, commonly cultivated in the tropics which is a common hedge plant in Nepal to 2000m.  Its large vermillion-coloured

bracts are prominent from a distance.  This, presumably was spread around the world centuries ago.

Agave spp. also from the Americas are commonly cultivated as hedge-plants in the Himalaya.

Yucca aloifolia, a native of N & C. America is cultivated and planted by roadsides in Chamba and Kulu Valley in H.P. - I have seen Indian

tourists stopping their cars to pluck the long branched clusters of cream or white flowers.

Whilst Opuntia monacantha 'Prickly Pear' is commonly planted as a hedge plant and has naturalized in cultivated areas and on waste ground

to 1800m.  There is a photo in 'Flowers of the Himalaya'.  There are other Opuntias cultivated. 

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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Sent: Friday, 27 January 2017, 6:51
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:262569] Re: Fwd: Fwd: Primula malacoides Franch. (accepted name) or Primula forbesii (accepted name)

Dear Chris,

Found plenty of this plant along the walls of water canal just outside the enclosure of protected garden inside the Godawari Botanical Garden .

I guess they might have introduced in the garden.

Thank you .

Saroj Kasaju 

On 27 Jan 2017 10:09, "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks,  Chadwell ji

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you Chris and hope confirmation from Prof. Richards !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

On 27 Jan 2017 20:07, "C CHADWELL" <chrischa...@btinternet.com> wrote:

OK.  This adds up.  Though would still be worth approaching Professor Richards for his opinion as to identification - plants

is cultivation often get mixed-up by various means and are not always a single pure species.

ANY plant growing anywhere near habitation in Nepal could easily be a cultivated plant - even if 'naturalised' to an extent, which

the Primula you photographed appears to have be.

Primula forbesii does appear to have been naturalised for decades in Nepal as have numerous other PROMINENT plants.

The Supplement to Flowers of the Himalaya has 2 photos of Euphorbia pulcherrima (known as 'Poinsetta') which is a native of

Central America, commonly cultivated in the tropics which is a common hedge plant in Nepal to 2000m.  Its large vermillion-coloured

bracts are prominent from a distance.  This, presumably was spread around the world centuries ago.

Agave spp. also from the Americas are commonly cultivated as hedge-plants in the Himalaya.

Yucca aloifolia, a native of N & C. America is cultivated and planted by roadsides in Chamba and Kulu Valley in H.P. - I have seen Indian

tourists stopping their cars to pluck the long branched clusters of cream or white flowers.

Whilst Opuntia monacantha 'Prickly Pear' is commonly planted as a hedge plant and has naturalized in cultivated areas and on waste ground

to 1800m.  There is a photo in 'Flowers of the Himalaya'.  There are other Opuntias cultivated. 

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks,  Chadwell ji

On 27 Jan 2017 7:52 p.m., "C CHADWELL" <chrischa...@btinternet.com> wrote:

OK.  This adds up.  Though would still be worth approaching Professor Richards for his opinion as to identification - plants

is cultivation often get mixed-up by various means and are not always a single pure species.

ANY plant growing anywhere near habitation in Nepal could easily be a cultivated plant - even if 'naturalised' to an extent, which

the Primula you photographed appears to have be.

Primula forbesii does appear to have been naturalised for decades in Nepal as have numerous other PROMINENT plants.

The Supplement to Flowers of the Himalaya has 2 photos of Euphorbia pulcherrima (known as 'Poinsetta') which is a native of

Central America, commonly cultivated in the tropics which is a common hedge plant in Nepal to 2000m.  Its large vermillion-coloured

bracts are prominent from a distance.  This, presumably was spread around the world centuries ago.

Agave spp. also from the Americas are commonly cultivated as hedge-plants in the Himalaya.

Yucca aloifolia, a native of N & C. America is cultivated and planted by roadsides in Chamba and Kulu Valley in H.P. - I have seen Indian

tourists stopping their cars to pluck the long branched clusters of cream or white flowers.

Whilst Opuntia monacantha 'Prickly Pear' is commonly planted as a hedge plant and has naturalized in cultivated areas and on waste ground

to 1800m.  There is a photo in 'Flowers of the Himalaya'.  There are other Opuntias cultivated. 

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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[Saroj Kasaju]

ID validation pending !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 8:36 PM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks,  Chadwell ji

On 27 Jan 2017 7:52 p.m., "C CHADWELL" <chrischadwell261@btinternet.com> wrote:

OK.  This adds up.  Though would still be worth approaching Professor Richards for his opinion as to identification - plants

is cultivation often get mixed-up by various means and are not always a single pure species.

ANY plant growing anywhere near habitation in Nepal could easily be a cultivated plant - even if 'naturalised' to an extent, which

the Primula you photographed appears to have be.

Primula forbesii does appear to have been naturalised for decades in Nepal as have numerous other PROMINENT plants.

The Supplement to Flowers of the Himalaya has 2 photos of Euphorbia pulcherrima (known as 'Poinsetta') which is a native of

Central America, commonly cultivated in the tropics which is a common hedge plant in Nepal to 2000m.  Its large vermillion-coloured

bracts are prominent from a distance.  This, presumably was spread around the world centuries ago.

Agave spp. also from the Americas are commonly cultivated as hedge-plants in the Himalaya.

Yucca aloifolia, a native of N & C. America is cultivated and planted by roadsides in Chamba and Kulu Valley in H.P. - I have seen Indian

tourists stopping their cars to pluck the long branched clusters of cream or white flowers.

Whilst Opuntia monacantha 'Prickly Pear' is commonly planted as a hedge plant and has naturalized in cultivated areas and on waste ground

to 1800m.  There is a photo in 'Flowers of the Himalaya'.  There are other Opuntias cultivated. 

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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[J.M. Garg]

John Richards is an expert on this. Pl. Take his views. 

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Pam,

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Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

ID validation pending !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

Thanks,  Chadwell ji

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