Re: [efloraofindia:87506] Re: Please identify this Orchid - NS131011

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Neil Soares

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Oct 16, 2011, 1:40:03 PM10/16/11
to efloraofindia, Dr Pankaj Kumar
Hi Dr. Pankaj & Dr. Giby,
  Inclement weather [read thundershowers] has played havoc with the original orchid. However, found these 2 also flowering. Am not sure if they are the same as the one in question.
  Sending a few photographs,
                       With regards,
                         Neil Soares

--- On Thu, 10/13/11, Dr Pankaj Kumar <sahani...@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Dr Pankaj Kumar <sahani...@gmail.com>
Subject: [efloraofindia:87506] Re: Please identify this Orchid - NS131011
To: "efloraofindia" <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Date: Thursday, October 13, 2011, 12:03 PM

When it flowers, then please count the pollinia. It will be necessary
to check the genus. 8 for Eria and 2 for Dendrobium.

Pankaj


On Oct 13, 2:14 pm, Giby Kuriakose <giby.kuriak...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, I too am waiting for the flower pictures.
>
> Regards
> Giby
>
> On 13 October 2011 10:40, Neil Soares <drneilsoa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >  These orchida are currently flowering on my property at Shahapur. Are they
> > also Dendrobium peguanum which was identified as such by Dr.Pankaj Kumar in
> > this link :
>
> >https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/31...
>
> >                                 Thank you,
> >                                           With regards,
> >                                             Neil Soares.
>
> --
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Pankaj Kumar

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Oct 16, 2011, 8:27:03 PM10/16/11
to Neil Soares, efloraofindia
Respected Neil Sir
You might have to check the number of anthers. This could be Eria nana too now called as Conchidium nanum.
For Dendrobium nanum it should have 2 pollinia and for Conchidium nanum it should have 8, joined together with viscidium.
This is not the time for Dendrobium peguanum to flower unless it flowered abruptly.
Pankaj

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Pankaj Kumar

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Oct 16, 2011, 8:29:01 PM10/16/11
to Sabapathy Mylswamy, sabapathy mylswamy, Neil Soares, indiantreepix
Dear Sabapathy,
Hope you are doing fine.
Can you please check for these pics.
I thought it could be Eria nana, but it is very close to Dendrobium nanum too. I would be grateful if you can let me know the difference between two if I just have the pics.
I would be grateful.
Regards
Pankaj
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Pankaj Kumar

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Oct 16, 2011, 11:47:14 PM10/16/11
to Neil Soares, Giby Kuriakose, efloraofindia
Respected Neil Sir
I inquired Dr. Sathiosh Kumar at TBGRI.
He confirmed that this is Dendrobium peguanum Lindl.
Regards
Pankaj



On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 1:40 AM, Neil Soares <drneil...@yahoo.com> wrote:

--
**********************************************************************
"Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!"


Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae)
Conservation Officer

Office:
Flora Conservation Department
Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation
Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong.

Residence:
36c, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun

Dr Pankaj Kumar

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Oct 16, 2011, 11:55:40 PM10/16/11
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This is confusing because in my (Jharkhand) place Dendrobium peguanum
Lindl. flowers during January-February and during flowering period I
have never seen it with leaves.
Pankaj


On Oct 17, 11:47 am, Pankaj Kumar <sahanipan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Respected Neil Sir
> I inquired Dr. Sathiosh Kumar at TBGRI.
> He confirmed that this is Dendrobium peguanum Lindl.
> Regards
> Pankaj
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 1:40 AM, Neil Soares <drneilsoa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Hi Dr. Pankaj & Dr. Giby,
> >   Inclement weather [read thundershowers] has played havoc with the
> > original orchid. However, found these 2 also flowering. Am not sure if they
> > are the same as the one in question.
> >   Sending a few photographs,
> >                        With regards,
> >                          Neil Soares
>
> > --- On *Thu, 10/13/11, Dr Pankaj Kumar <sahanipan...@gmail.com>* wrote:
>
> > From: Dr Pankaj Kumar <sahanipan...@gmail.com>
> > Subject: [efloraofindia:87506] Re: Please identify this Orchid - NS131011
> > To: "efloraofindia" <indian...@googlegroups.com>
> > Date: Thursday, October 13, 2011, 12:03 PM
>
> > When it flowers, then please count the pollinia. It will be necessary
> > to check the genus. 8 for Eria and 2 for Dendrobium.
>
> > Pankaj
>
> > On Oct 13, 2:14 pm, Giby Kuriakose <giby.kuriak...@gmail.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=giby.kuriak...@gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> > > Yes, I too am waiting for the flower pictures.
>
> > > Regards
> > > Giby
>
> > > On 13 October 2011 10:40, Neil Soares <drneilsoa...@yahoo.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=drneilsoa...@yahoo.com>>
>           sahanipan...@gmail.com
>           pankajsah...@rediffmail.com

giby.kuriakose

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Oct 17, 2011, 1:04:49 AM10/17/11
to Neil Soares, efloraofindia, Dr Pankaj Kumar
Yes this is Dendrobium peguanum.  
In Eria nana the lip & spur would be much shorter than the other lobes. 
Lip is purplish (picture- Unknown Orchid 1C) for D. peguanum


Regards,
Giby

Pankaj Kumar

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Oct 17, 2011, 1:13:34 AM10/17/11
to giby.kuriakose, Neil Soares, efloraofindia
yes I think it was my mistake relating atleast this plant to Eria. I should be more critical and dont just throw away guesses.
Pankaj
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**********************************************************************
"Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!"


Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae)
Conservation Officer

Office:
Flora Conservation Department
Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation
Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong.

Residence:
36c, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun
Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong.

email: pku...@kbfg.org
          sahani...@gmail.com
          pankaj...@rediffmail.com

Giby Kuriakose

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Oct 17, 2011, 2:12:20 AM10/17/11
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Dear Pankaj,

I was also thinking this as Eria than Dendrobium until I see the flower pictures. 
Sometime guessing would give an opportunity to others to learn things critically. Since there was a doubt between Eria and Dendrobium we discussed this in detail and reached a conclusion without any doubt. Now, when someone go to field and see this plant or simiar looking plant without flowers, they would certainly want to see the flowers to reach the id because non flowering individuals are not enough to reach the species id that is clear from this thread. 
What I feel is that please continue throw your guesses that would give us a chance to discuss more and more. Mostly guesses were always throwing light to some new learning to all of us.  
Further, as you pointed earlier, dealing id with the help of pictures is always tricky. Hence guesses and discussions over guesses would be very much needed to reach a conclusion with maximum possible characters available in the given picture. 


Thanks and Regards,
Giby

Neil Soares

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Oct 17, 2011, 2:52:47 AM10/17/11
to Pankaj Kumar, Giby Kuriakose, efloraofindia
Thanks Dr.Giby & Dr. Pankaj for identifying this species of orchid.
                    With regards,
                      Neil Soares.

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