Names of Plants in India :: etymology of nouchali

[Dinesh Valke]

Dear friends,

Please help with the etymology of the epithet - nouchali in context of the name Nymphaea nouchali.

(also found written as nauchali).

Regards.

Dinesh

[Santhan P]

STAGNATION = निश्चलता - growing in stagnant water ?

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for any assistance in the matter please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

STAGNATION = निश्चलता - growing in stagnant water ?- from Santhan ji.

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[Dinesh Valke]

Thank you very much Garg ji for following up on my query.

Thank you very much Santhan ji for your thought.

Another possibility I feel - it could be derived from some vernacular name (could be Sinhalese / s-e Asia) for the lotus flower / plant. But I am just not able to find any hint on the internet or in reference books that I have.

Regards.

Dinesh

[J.M. Garg]

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From: M Swamy <swamy...@gmail.com>
Date: 1 November 2014 16:57
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:204290] Names of Plants in India :: etymology of nouchali
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>, Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com>

Sear Dinesh ji /  Garg ji,
Kindly refer to the following link  http://www.plantzafrica.com/plantnop/nymphnouch.htm   wherein  it is stated  that  "The meaning of the specific ephithet nouchali has only been traced with the assistance of staff at Kew who report that one of their specimens contains a note that Noakhali is a district in Bangladesh. The variety name caerulea refers to the sky blue colour of the flowers."

Thanks & regards,

Dr.Mahadeswara swamy

On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 10:23 AM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

[vip...@gmail.com]

"The genus Nymphaea is named after the Greek goddess of springs, Nymphe. Nouchali is named after one of the nymphs, Nouchal."

- Petra Vandecasteele [In Celebration of Fynbos, Struik Publ., 2008, p. 142].

Best wishes, Viplav

[Ushadi Micromini]

Viplav:

I am impressed

I must stay tuned to your conversations

great find

usha di

Usha di
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[Ushadi Micromini]

Viplav:

I am impressed

I must stay tuned to your conversations

great find

usha di

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 6:18 PM, vip...@gmail.com <vip...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Dinesh Valke]

Viplav ji ... many many thanks for this bit of information.
Keen to know of the reference/bibliography that the author may have quoted to base her writing.

Searching for the word Nouchal - one result led me to Calflora though it has not much to say.

Searching "Nouchal Nymph" is discouraging.

At this juncture, the score is 1 each ... Nouchal (nymph) vs. Nauchali (district in Bangladesh).

Regards.

Dinesh

[Ushadi Micromini]

Exactly, Dinesh

i did the same searches now and in the past week or since we started on Nouchali word.

I searched for nymphs in greek lit sites no nouchali. 

may be its an obscure nymph that appears in a are page...

i have decided to call JU and CU or St Xavier's department of classics if they have such a thing anymore...   and see if I can go and meet with some one..  next week .

And then there is someone Hugh Clarke who had something to do with it...
this came up when i searched for the lady who wrote the book Viplav mentioned...

and who is Burm f. who is attributed as having named or classified  the species of lily... as in  paper:    Megagametophyte development of Nymphaea nouchali Burm. f. (Nymphaeaceae)    Botanical Journal of the Linnean Societyvolume 126,, Issue 4 pages 339–348, April 1998.   etc

And I found ref to a phd 2013 thesis from MS univ Baroda that seems to have mentioned Nouchali nymph, but  quickly perusing its pages i don't find it.. seems i have to read all of it 246+ pages... adobe does not let me find a word in it as does any number of wordprocessing programmes.

we will get to bottom of this sooner or later.. now that Viplav has given us this lead.

usha di

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[vip...@gmail.com]

A precise reference would have been ideal but the author lures us with the mere name of this enigmatic nymph - Nouchal - and no whereabouts;-( Other botanical names, several of them rooted in Greek mythology, have been similarly explained in this book.

The species might well have been named after the Noakhali district in Bangladesh. 

I don't know for sure.

Best wishes, Viplav