Memeycelon Talbotianum is it?

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Rashida Atthar

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May 31, 2010, 7:14:56 AM5/31/10
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Memeycelon  sp.  evergreen tree seen scantily flowering at some places and profusely fruiting at some places at Kulgi, Anashi WLS, Karnataka, last week of April, '10. The berries are green and than turning yellow indicative of Memycelon talbotianum. Kindly validate.

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mani nair

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May 31, 2010, 7:29:52 AM5/31/10
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Rashidaji, Excellent photos.  I have seen this tree with flower in Matheran.
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Mani.

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tanay bose

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May 31, 2010, 9:01:36 AM5/31/10
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A new species for me hence no idea
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Smilax004

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May 31, 2010, 9:17:31 AM5/31/10
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Dear Rashida,

Would you please give more details such whether the leaves are
petioled or sessile (not clear from the picture, out of focus, please
take a picture of a single branch held parallel to your lens). Please
tell whether the flower/inflorescence is pedicellate or not (The
flower picture is out of focus details are not available). Please give
other details in the format we follow in this forum. I need basically
the approximate size of the plant and leaves.

I too have a guess that this is M.talbotianum. But to validate we
should get a more clear picture and details.

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Giby
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Rashida Atthar

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May 31, 2010, 9:45:27 AM5/31/10
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Unfortunately this is all the pics I have, I posted it only due to the yellow berries. The petiole was very short perhaps 1cm, flowers almost sessile. Both are small trees. This tree can be easily mistaken for M. umbellatum but for the yellow berries.  If I am not mistaken  only M. talbotianum  has berry globose yellow. 

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Rashida.

Giby Kuriakose

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May 31, 2010, 10:05:49 AM5/31/10
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Dear Rashida,

M.umbellatum also do have yellow berries. This plant, as you said can be confused between M. umbellatum and M.talbottianum. M.talbottianum grows under thick evergreen canopy even well stratified thick forest. But M.umbellatum never grow in such condition. And M.talbotianum generally doesn't grow in open conditions (some ecological notes from personal experience). But, here, if you are sure about the flowers were sessile this can be most probably M. talbotianum. Am still bit confused about the leaf shape. Better we don't confirm it unless we get a picture of leafy branch in which you can zoom in single leaf and see the petiole and nerves and a lateral shot of inflorescence when you see the plant in bloom. Do make sure that you are not missing out characters and not just pictures of flower, leaf etc. You may please refer some pictorial guide such as Flowers of Sahyadri and Some Flowering Plants of the Western Ghats. May be Shrikant Ingalhalikar would be able to give us some tips on the same. 

 
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Rashida Atthar

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May 31, 2010, 10:34:33 AM5/31/10
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Giby ji as per Dr. Almeida's flora M. umbellatum has Berry globose, 6 mm, purplish black.

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Giby Kuriakose

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Jun 1, 2010, 12:56:21 AM6/1/10
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Dear Rashida,

That is true in the case of ripened fruits, whereas unripened mature fruits of both the species are yellow then both turned to purplish black and while crushing you can see the dark purple or violet juice. People mention the color what they see at the time of collections. So my humble request is don't depend upon colors. 

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Giby

Rashida Atthar

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Jun 1, 2010, 12:58:53 AM6/1/10
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Ok, Thanks Giby ji, we leave this Unided.

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Rashida.

JM Garg

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J.M. Garg

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Jan 12, 2018, 11:05:29 AM1/12/18
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Forwarding again for validation please.


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J.M. Garg

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Jan 12, 2018, 10:56:45 PM1/12/18
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Thanks a lot, Sivu ji.

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M. talboltianum.

Tapas Chakrabarty

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Jan 14, 2018, 5:47:45 AM1/14/18
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Respected Sir,
                    Though the image of the flowers is not that clear, from the remaining photographs it appears to me to be Memecylon talbotianum. Thank you Sir for the mail....


       Thanking you,
                                                                                                                                  Yours sincerely,
                                                                                                                                 Moumita Das Das
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Jan 14, 2018, 6:38:21 AM1/14/18
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Thanks, Moumita ji and Tapas ji.
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