Elsholtzia cristata from Morni hills

[Gurcharan Singh]

Elsholtzia ciliata (Thunb.) Hyl., Bot. Not. 1941: 129 1941.

syn: Elsholtzia cristata Willd.

A small aromatic herb with long petioled lanceolate leaves and compact one-sided inflorescence looking like a spike and with enlarged floral leaves.

Photographed from Morni hilla, growing on open hill slopes. 

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[amit chauhan]

Nice catch Sir, we have also collected it from Uttarakhand region
during our survey for aromatic flora...........typical one sided
inflorescence and distinguish it from other Elsholtzia species.

regards
Amit

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Thanks Amit ji for confirmation

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[sheetal chaudhari]

How to differ Elsholtzia species from Rungia Sp.?


Regards,

Sheetal Pachpande

[amit chauhan]

Hi, Sheetal ji

I think the biggest difference is the aroma in inflorescence of
Elsholtzia sp. they are always aromatic and Rungia sp. are never emit
aroma..

regards

[H S]

Foto attached here is Rungia sps. may be Rungia repens not

Elsholtzia ciliata

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Yes I think H S is right, it seems to be Rungia repens, in fact

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[amit chauhan]

Hi,

No it is Elsholtzia ciliata for having one-sided inflorescence and
aroma Rungia doesn't have one sided inflorescence.

regards

On 5/27/11, Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes I think H S is right, it seems to be Rungia repens, in fact
>
>
> --
> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
> Retired Associate Professor
> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089
> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/
>

> On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 3:43 PM, H S <hems...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Foto attached here is Rungia sps. may be Rungia repens not Elsholtzia
>> ciliata
>> --
>> - H.S.
>>
>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart of
>> stone
>>
>>
>

[Gurcharan Singh]

Amit ji

That is what I also thought initially, but E. ciliata (syn: E. cristata) does not have that broad, compact and neatly arranged bracts with membranous margin as we see in my plant and in Rungia repens. My plant does not show any flowers, but bracts are distinctive enough.

http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=ELCI

http://www.dotleb.net/directory/index.php?title=File:Elsholtzia_ciliata-2.jpg

http://www.henriettesherbal.com/pictures/p05/pages/elsholtzia-ciliata-8.htm

http://www.henriettesherbal.com/pictures/p05/pages/elsholtzia-ciliata-6.htm

http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Creeping%20Rungia.html

http://www.flickr.com/photos/22702080@N04/4907494657/in/photostream

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Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 9:49 AM, amit chauhan <amit...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

No it is Elsholtzia ciliata for having one-sided inflorescence and
aroma Rungia doesn't have one sided inflorescence.

regards

On 5/27/11, Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes I think H S is right, it seems to be Rungia repens, in fact
>
>
> --
> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
> Retired  Associate Professor
> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
> Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/
>

> On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 3:43 PM, H S <hemsan.bh@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Foto attached here is Rungia sps. may be Rungia repens not Elsholtzia
>> ciliata
>> --
>>  - H.S.
>>
>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart of
>> stone
>>
>>
>

[amit chauhan]

Sir,

My question is are Rungia sp. aromatic ?

On 5/28/11, Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Amit ji
> That is what I also thought initially, but E. ciliata (syn: E. cristata)
> does not have that broad, compact and neatly arranged bracts with membranous
> margin as we see in my plant and in Rungia repens. My plant does not show
> any flowers, but bracts are distinctive enough.
>
> http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=ELCI
>
> <http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=ELCI>
> http://www.dotleb.net/directory/index.php?title=File:Elsholtzia_ciliata-2.jpg
>
> <http://www.dotleb.net/directory/index.php?title=File:Elsholtzia_ciliata-2.jpg>
> http://www.henriettesherbal.com/pictures/p05/pages/elsholtzia-ciliata-8.htm
>

> <http://www.henriettesherbal.com/pictures/p05/pages/elsholtzia-ciliata-8.htm>
> http://www.henriettesherbal.com/pictures/p05/pages/elsholtzia-ciliata-6.htm
>
> <http://www.henriettesherbal.com/pictures/p05/pages/elsholtzia-ciliata-6.htm>
> http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Creeping%20Rungia.html
>
> <http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Creeping%20Rungia.html>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/22702080@N04/4907494657/in/photostream

[H S]

Dear amit ji...

Rungia species are not aromatic... its very much different from Elsholtzia ciliata ....

 

In western India Rungia is very common and i know it very welll... so pls dont doubt... its Rungia repens

 

or try to check in any of herbarium... actually fotos mislead many times... as me to done many simple mistakes in identification by fotos..

[amit chauhan]

Sir,

 

But you wrote plants aromatic that is what it was creating a confusion now I definitely agree with you

 

regards

[Gurcharan Singh]

Amit ji

My fault. I took Elsholtzia for granted.

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[JM Garg]

I think this should not be Justicia repens with bracts appearing to be dimorphic and not appearing to be uniform.

[J.M. Garg]

This may be Justicia concinna as per images and details herein.

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[J.M. Garg]

On further scrutiny of all the posts, I take it Justicia pectinata only.

[dr.rakesh Singh]

Again , Yessir ! 

Dimorphic bracts , multiple spikes at nodes . 

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Rakesh ji 

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[J.M. Garg]

Taking it as Rungia parviflora var. muralis (Nees) C.B.Clarke with spikes very dense, barren bracts ovate acute hardly longer than the fertile, as per Flora of British India as per discussions in another thread at Sorting Rungia species 

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Dear Garg ji

I think we should decide which database we want to follow and then be consistent with it

Both TPL and its New Version World Flora Online are unaware of combination Rungia parviflora var. muralis, and treat R. muralis unresolved/ambiguous., 

treat R. parviflora as synonym of R. pectinata

Kew Database  Plants of The World Online, also treat R. parviflora as synomym of R. pectinata, 

All three treat Rungia repens accepted name

Only Catalogue of Life 2019 lists Rungia parviflora var. muralis (Nees) C. B. Clarke and lists it synonym of Rungia muralis Royle ex Nees (accepted name)

Treats Rungia parviflora as synonym of Justicia parviflora and var. pectinata as synonym of Justicia pectinata

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Likewise POWO listed some Desmodium as Sohmaea and some as Hylodesmum and 

 some as Ototropis !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Singh ji.

We can not follow any database all the time, for all our plants.

As we know, database in dependent on many underlying resources and these are also getting updated and changed over a period of time.

We also get connected with many recent publications, discussions in our group and advises from many experts, from time to time.

  

POWO is also creating lot of confusion coming from Kew, but basing itself on the The Plant List, when a taxon is not appearing in their more accurate database on WCSP. This should certainly give bad name to them.

Catalogue has done a wonderful job in recent years and appears more reliable after WCSP & ILDIS. But it also can not be relied all the time. It changes based on latest publications (sometime on molecular studies), but those may not be acceptable to all and has to stand scrutiny over a reasonable period of time. Than we have our own Floras and efloras, which needs to be connected properly.

Sometimes, we may not be changing in order to maintain familiarity with a genus and sometimes to maintain comparative images on a single page. There may be thousands of old pages, for which I may not be in a position look them all at a time.

Thus this is very complex.  

In this case, I would like to go with Catalogue of Life. 

[Gurcharan Singh]

After seeing some latest records, I also like to follow Catalogue of life. Seems to be continuously updated.

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

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