Zingiber neesanum (J.Graham) Ramamoorthy submission AS11 July21

[Ashutosh Sharma]

Respected members, 

Please validate identity of this Zingiber sp. 

Zingiber neesanum (J.Graham) Ramamoorthy

Family - Zingiberaceae

Photographed in cultivation at FRLHT /TDU Garden, Bengaluru, Karnataka

On 17 June 2021

The leaves of my shared plants are little broader than typical Z. neesanum ie. upto 6cm wide with pubescence on stem however i think this is just variation as in many Zingibers sp. leaves and pubescence shows great variations. 

There is one another closely related recently described species Z. anamalayanum Sujanapal & Sasidh. 2010 but floral features doesn't look matching with this species (except leaves) which itself is very close to Z. neesanum.Please see attached floral dissection plate. 

With best regards

Ashutosh Sharma 

[Saroj Kasaju]

I guess correct ID !  https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpowo.science.kew.org%2Ftaxon%2Furn%3Alsid%3Aipni.org%3Anames%3A873063-1&psig=AOvVaw3UIkGF75qZh8Xg6Y2K6Fpk&ust=1626367166640000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAsQjRxqFwoTCMjf26GA4_ECFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Ashutosh ji

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J. M. Garg

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Sabu ji

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From: Mamiyil Sabu <>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul, 2021, 7:41 pm
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:392060] Zingiber neesanum (J.Graham) Ramamoorthy submission AS11 July21
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

This is more close to Zingiber anamalayanum.

Thanking you,

Sincerely yours,

M. Sabu Ph. D., FNA, FASc.

CSIR-Emeritus Scientist, Malabar Botanical Garden & IPS

Calicut, 673014.
Formerly Professor & Head
Department of Botany
University of Calicut
Kerala, 673 635, India
Phone: 91--4952431545
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Website: www.gingersofindia.com
https://botany.uoc.ac.in/index.php/sunojkumar?id=58

Google scholar:https://scholar.google.co.in/citations?user=BkXpK9IAAAAJ&hl=en

[Ashutosh Sharma]

Thanks for confirmation, earlier i had many doubts and questions regarding the suggested identity but all thanks to recently published paper in Taxon entitled "Fixing stray traditions in gingers: The identity and nomenclatural history of Zingiber neesanum and other entwined names - Patil - - TAXON - Wiley Online Library" Sadly, this interesting paper is not freely accessible so i will post its brief summary and conclusion shortly in another post, Garg ji we need to place all the Zingiber neesanum having white flowers with purplish streaked labellum under page Zingiber anamalayanum Sujanapal & Sasidh while the true Zingiber neesanum (J.Graham) Ramamoorthy is cadmium yellow flowered Zingiber endemic to Northern Western Ghats (so far known from 8 districts of Maharashtra) what we presently have on our site under name Zingiber diwakarianum R.Kr.Singh (now considered a new heterotypic synonym of Z.neesanum). 

Best regards

Ashutosh Sharma

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Ashutosh ji,

I will do the needful pl. 

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J.M.Garg