Nepeta discolor in FOI

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Tabish ji,

I think images of Nepeta discolor by Sunit ji in FOI, are of  Nepeta laevigata (D.Don) Hand.-Mazz. (https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/16/nepeta-laevigata/), as per images and references herein.

Looks different from images and references at https://efloraofindia.com/2022/11/11/nepeta-discolor/

Pl. correct. 

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[Tabish]

Thanks Garg ji for the scrutiny. The leaf size in the two species is quite different. Leaves of Nepeta discolor are 1-2 cm long, and those of Nepeta laevigata are 2-6 cm long. Leaves of Sunit's plant do look small, but Sunit might be able to comment on it better, especially if he has collected the plant.

    Best wishes

    Tabish

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Tabish ji.

It is very difficult to say about size. 

Pl. check the shape, look and arrangement of the leaves as well as the flowers and calyx  etc. 

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[Sunit Singh]

Dear Sir, I will verify it for further authentication.

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Sunit ji.

Will be waiting for feedback pl.

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[Sunit Singh]

Dear Sir, it seems N. discolor for me, attaching herbarium image also. Please have a look, waiting for your response.

[takdeer katira]

If anyone  have an image of gymnema sylvestre plz send it

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[Mahadeswara]

Check this link for G.sylvestre  in efloraofindia :   https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/a/apocynaceae/gymnema/gymnema-sylvestre

[J.M. Garg]

Any keys between the two from local flora?

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[Gurcharan Singh]

N. discolor: leaves shorter than 3 cm, white tomentose beneath, flowers white or pale blue

N. laevigata: leaves 3-10 cm long, green on both surfaces

[Sunit Singh]

here I'm attaching Sir.

1a. Flowers in nearly continuous or capitate spikes; basal floral whorls rarely

separate........................................................................................................................ 2
1b. Flowers in distant whorls, either axillary or forming interrupted spikes or
panicles......................................................................................................................... 5
2a. Leaves linear to narrowly lanceolate, acute or acuminate, + glabrous .... 3
2b. Leaves ovate to ovate-lanceolate, obtuse or rounded at apex, + hairy on
both surfaces or at least on lower surface............................................................ 4
3a. Calyx teeth about as long as calyx tube ................................................................................. L N. connata
3b. Calyx teeth about half as long as or less than half the calyx tube........................................ 8. N. linearis
4a. Leaves large, distinctly petioled; calyx teeth ciliate; spikes not glistening 2. N. discolor
4b. Leaves small, sessile or shortly petioled; calyx teeth plumose, giving glistening
appearence to spike...................................................................................................................... 4. N. eriostachys
5a. Corolla more than 15 mm long; calyx teeth + triangular.................................. 6
5b. Corolla less than 15 mm long; calyx teeth linear-subulate.................................
6a. Flowers blue................................................................................................................. 3. N. erecta
6b. Flowers yellow or cream-coloured 5. N. govaniana
7a. Floral whorls sessile........................................................................................................................ 6. N. laevigata
7b. Floral whorls peduncled................................................................................................................ 7. N.

Thanks & Regards

Sunit Singh

Alpine Research Scholar

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12/04/22, 08:22:11 AM

[J.M. Garg]

Is your id OK as per these keys?

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[Gurcharan Singh]

I don't think the key goes well with descriptions and keys else elsewhere.The two in Flora of Ladakh

http://www.planetefleurs.fr/Systematique/Labiatae/Nepeta_discolor.htm

http://www.planetefleurs.fr/Systematique/Labiatae/Nepeta_laevigata.html

[J.M. Garg]

What do you think it is?

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[Sunit Singh]

Dear sir, please attach some images of Nepeta eriostachya, if you have any,  and please tag some specialists working on the same genus or family. Quite interesting!

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Sunit Singh

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[J.M. Garg]

I could only find the following:
https://www.gbif.org/species/7309264
https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/575041519

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[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Thanks Garg ji for the scrutiny. The leaf size in the two species is quite different. Leaves of Nepeta discolor are 1-2 cm long, and those of Nepeta laevigata are 2-6 cm long. Leaves of Sunit's plant do look small, but Sunit might be able to comment on it better, especially if he has collected the plant.     Best wishes     Tabish

Thanks, Tabish ji.

It is very difficult to say about size.

Pl. check the shape, look and arrangement of the leaves as well as the flowers and calyx  etc. - from me

Dear Sir, it seems N. discolor for me, attaching herbarium image also. Please have a look, waiting for your response.- from Sunit ji

N. discolor: leaves shorter than 3 cm, white tomentose beneath, flowers white or pale blue

N. laevigata: leaves 3-10 cm long, green on both surfaces- from Singh ji

here I'm attaching Sir. 1a. Flowers in nearly continuous or capitate spikes; basal floral whorls rarely

separate ......... 2

1b. Flowers in distant whorls, either axillary or forming interrupted spikes or

panicles ......... 5

2a. Leaves linear to narrowly lanceolate, acute or acuminate, + glabrous .... 3 2b. Leaves ovate to ovate-lanceolate, obtuse or rounded at apex, + hairy on

both surfaces or at least on lower surface .......... 4 3a. Calyx teeth about as long as calyx tube ....... L N. connata 3b. Calyx teeth about half as long as or less than half the calyx tube ........ 8. N. linearis

4a. Leaves large, distinctly petioled; calyx teeth ciliate; spikes not glistening 2. N. discolor 4b. Leaves small, sessile or shortly petioled; calyx teeth plumose, giving glistening

appearence to spike........... 4. N. eriostachys 5a. Corolla more than 15 mm long; calyx teeth + triangular .... 6

5b. Corolla less than 15 mm long; calyx teeth linear-subulate......

6a. Flowers blue ....... 3. N. erecta

6b. Flowers yellow or cream-coloured 5. N. govaniana

7a. Floral whorls sessile ........ 6. N. laevigata 7b. Floral whorls peduncled .......... 7. N.

Thanks & Regards Sunit Singh Alpine Research Scholar

I don't think the key goes well with descriptions and keys else elsewhere.The two in Flora of Ladakh http://www.planetefleurs.fr/Systematique/Labiatae/Nepeta_discolor.htm http://www.planetefleurs.fr/Systematique/Labiatae/Nepeta_laevigata.html - from Singh ji

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