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raghu ananth

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Hippe {Kannada], Mahua, Mohwa
Bassia latifolia (Syn. Madhuca Indica), Fam. Sapotaceae

Height of the tree 45-50feet, fruit size - 5-7cm, 
Habitat: Farm fence, dry lands
Umbalwadi, Hunsur Tq, Mysore district
11 May 2010


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Raghu




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Gurcharan Singh

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Jun 1, 2010, 10:21:33 PM6/1/10
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I hope this is South India Mahua Madhuca longifolia var. longifolia


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tanay bose

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Jun 1, 2010, 10:42:23 PM6/1/10
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I too think the same Sirji, This plant has uploaded many times .
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Tabish

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Jun 1, 2010, 11:49:13 PM6/1/10
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Dear Gurcharan ji,
I think Madhuca longifolia var. longifolia leaves are much narrower
than that of common Mahua (Madhuca longifolia var. latifolia). With
the leaves in the pictures here, and the veins on them, to me it
appears to be Common Mahua (Madhuca longifolia var. latifolia). Can't
be too sure though.
- Tabish

On Jun 2, 7:21 am, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I hope this is South India Mahua Madhuca longifolia var. longifolia
>
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> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 7:38 AM, raghu ananth <raghu_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Hippe {Kannada], Mahua, Mohwa
> > Bassia latifolia (Syn. Madhuca Indica), Fam. Sapotaceae
>
> > Height of the tree 45-50feet, fruit size - 5-7cm,
> > Habitat: Farm fence, dry lands
> > Umbalwadi, Hunsur Tq, Mysore district
> > 11 May 2010
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> > Regards
> > Raghu
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Anand Kumar Bhatt

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Jun 2, 2010, 12:22:13 AM6/2/10
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It is a very useful tree. The flowers fall and they are edible as it is or it can be boiled. It is also used to make the basic fermented liquid to make/distill liquor. tribals love it. Even our large distilleries making tharra were using it as raw material.Now most of them have switched to molasses as they find it much cheaper.  Its fruit gives oil, which now I am told after some processing has been made edible for humans. A large shady tree which nobody cuts because of its usefulness.
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Tabish ji
Frankly speaking, this plants looks different from typical specimens of both Mahua (M. longifolia var. latifolia) and South Indian Mahua (M. longifolia var. longifolia). Latter is a quite distinct tree (It was lying with me for nearly one year before I knew it was Madhuca). I am uploading both my plants to compare. The above plant be considered for other two South Indian species M. malabarica and m bourdilloni. May be colleagues from S W India can help.


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Tabish

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Jun 2, 2010, 1:13:21 AM6/2/10
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Gurcharan ji,
To me your Madhuca-longifolia-var-longifolia picture looks like M.
longifolia var. latifolia. My perception is that South Indian Mahua
leaves are more mango-like. Leaves in your picture appear to be
obovate, which is a Mahua feature. However, I could easily be wrong,
with not much experience with these species. I hope some others can
throw light on it.
- Tabish

On Jun 2, 9:59 am, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tabish ji
> Frankly speaking, this plants looks different from typical specimens of both
> Mahua (M. longifolia var. latifolia) and South Indian Mahua (M. longifolia
> var. longifolia). Latter is a quite distinct tree (It was lying with me for
> nearly one year before I knew it was Madhuca). I am uploading both my plants
> to compare. The above plant be considered for other two South Indian species
> M. malabarica and m bourdilloni. May be colleagues from S W India can help.
>
> --
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> Retired  Associate Professor
> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
> Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/
>
> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Anand Kumar Bhatt <anandkbh...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > It is a very useful tree. The flowers fall and they are edible as it is or
> > it can be boiled. It is also used to make the basic fermented liquid to
> > make/distill liquor. tribals love it. Even our large distilleries making
> > tharra were using it as raw material.Now most of them have switched to
> > molasses as they find it much cheaper.  Its fruit gives oil, which now I am
> > told after some processing has been made edible for humans. A large shady
> > tree which nobody cuts because of its usefulness.
> > ak
>
> > On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Tabish <tabi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Dear Gurcharan ji,
> >>  I think Madhuca longifolia var. longifolia leaves are much narrower
> >> than that of common Mahua (Madhuca longifolia var. latifolia). With
> >> the leaves in the pictures here, and the veins on them, to me it
> >> appears to be Common Mahua (Madhuca longifolia var. latifolia). Can't
> >> be too sure though.
> >>   - Tabish
>
> >> On Jun 2, 7:21 am, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > I hope this is South India Mahua Madhuca longifolia var. longifolia
>
> >> > --
> >> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh
> >> > Retired  Associate Professor
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> >> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
> >> > Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/<http://people.du.ac.in/%7Esinghg45/>
>
> >> > On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 7:38 AM, raghu ananth <raghu_...@yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> > > Hippe {Kannada], Mahua, Mohwa
> >> > > Bassia latifolia (Syn. Madhuca Indica), Fam. Sapotaceae
>
> >> > > Height of the tree 45-50feet, fruit size - 5-7cm,
> >> > > Habitat: Farm fence, dry lands
> >> > > Umbalwadi, Hunsur Tq, Mysore district
> >> > > 11 May 2010
>
> >> > > Regards
> >> > > Raghu
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Rashida Atthar

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Jun 2, 2010, 1:22:36 AM6/2/10
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Sir I think Raghu ji pics are of the common Mahua - Maduca longifolia var latifolia. The prominent venation and broader leaves than that of  south Indian Mahua being the distinguishing featueres.

But Sir, to me your last pic also is indicative of common Mahua only. Inference is based on having seen  the south indian Mahua recently with much longer and slender leaves.

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Rashida.

Gurcharan Singh

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Jun 2, 2010, 1:23:04 AM6/2/10
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Tabish ji
See this one. This plant looks very different from var. latifolia, and I got it identified from this forum only.


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Rashida Atthar

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Jun 2, 2010, 1:44:49 AM6/2/10
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Sir attaching Pictures for comparison of south Indian Mahua seen at Syntheri rocks on the way to Anashi WLS , karnataka, last week of April, '10.

regards,
Rashida.
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Tabish

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Jun 2, 2010, 1:48:10 AM6/2/10
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Gurcharan ji,
I am attaching a picture of, what I believe is, South Indian Mahua,
taken at Shanti Van in Delhi. Just for comparison.
- Tabish

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Gurcharan Singh

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Jun 2, 2010, 2:00:43 AM6/2/10
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Rashida ji
Could'nt your plant be M. malabarica. It has lanceolate-oblong leaves. This is what my Brandis Indian Trees tells me. Please consider. I hope it has a new name M. neriifolia.


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Rashida Atthar

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Jun 2, 2010, 2:36:28 AM6/2/10
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Sir I have posted Pics of  the same tree a few days back and nobody contradicted the ID, so I would request experts to sort this out. Thanks.

regards,
Rashida.

Neil Soares

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Jun 2, 2010, 3:11:22 AM6/2/10
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Hi,
 My take on this tree - don't think it is the South Indian Mahua [Mahua longifolia var. longifolia] tree. It could be some other South Indian species [as enumerated by Prof.Singh] or even possibly Madhuca longifolia var.latifolia.
 My Mahua [Maduca longifolia var. latifolia] trees are fruiting profusely. Sending a few photographs for comparison.
                        With regards,
                          Neil Soares.
 

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Hippe {Kannada], Mahua, Mohwa
Bassia latifolia (Syn. Madhuca Indica), Fam. Sapotaceae

Height of the tree 45-50feet, fruit size - 5-7cm, 
Habitat: Farm fence, dry lands
Umbalwadi, Hunsur Tq, Mysore district
11 May 2010


Regards
Raghu




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Mahua [Madhuca longifolia var. latifolia] 1.jpg
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Mahua [Madhuca longifolia var. latifolia] 4.jpg
Mahua [Madhuca longifolia var. latifolia] 5.jpg
Mahua [Madhuca longifolia var. latifolia] 6.jpg
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The fruit oil is also used for burning the lamps. Flowers are dried and used for long time. The fruits are favourate for elephants because of intoxication effect. Please watch Beautiful People movei to enjoy the scene.
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Gurcharan Singh

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It is becoming interesting
Four distinct taxa to be sorted and fixed:
1. Madhuca longifolia var. latifolia                 (the two photographs uploaded by me above, and photographs of Neil ji above)
2. My third photograph which was identified by Neil ji as Madhuca longifolia var. longifolia (I have put original mail into circulation again.


3. The plant uploaded by Rahu ji above which some of us inclined to call M. longifolia var. latifolia but the leaves are definitely narrower than typical specimens
4. The plant uploaded by Rashida ji above as M. longifolia var. longifolia but to me looks different possibly M. malabarica

The members may please upload more photographs of Madhuca to fix atleast four taxa recorded from India.: M. longifolia var. longifolia, M. longifolia var. latifolia, M. malabarica (perhaps correctly M. neriifolia) and M. bourdillonii.

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R. Vijayasankar

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Jun 2, 2010, 3:05:19 PM6/2/10
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Very interesting discussion! To add my views:
 
Attaching pictures of Madhuca insignis for comparison. This endemic species is found only in Udupi, Karnataka and is listed by IUCN as 'presumably extinct'. Its very rare, not cultivated and so no confusion. The leaves are broadly obovate, obtuse (blunt) at apex. Fruits fusiform, smooth i.e. not hairy, with a single seed. Attached our paper on this species for ref.
 
Neil ji's pictures are clearly Madhuca latifolia [= M. indica]. Here the fruits are nearly spherical, oblique at apex, hairy, 1-4-seeded; leaves broad. I too think Raghu ji's pictures belong to this species.
 
Rashida ji & Tabish ji's pictures represent Madhuca longifolia, wherein the leaves are like that of mango i.e. narrowly lanceolate, wavy along margin and pointed at apex, again the fruits are oblong and hairy, 1-4-seeded.
 
Madhuca neriifolia has narrowly oblanceolate leaves with more or less obtuse apex. The fruits are smooth, fusiform, beaked, always with a single seed.
 
There is one more species earlier known as Madhuca butyracea (now it is Diploknema butyracea) is occasionally met with in India. Known as 'Indian Butter tree' and 'Phulwara'. Original distribution as per GRIN http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?403431 is : Sikkim, UP, A&N Islands in India and also in Bhutan & Nepal. I collected herbarium from Haldwani, Uttarakhand (planted) but couldn't take a photo. Gurcharan ji's picture reminds me this species. I am not sure but. The leaves are broadly elliptic with a pointed apex.
 
Madhuca bourdilonii is an another endemic species, confined to W.Ghats of KA & KL. http://wgbis.ces.iisc.ernet.in/energy/water/paper/Relic/madhuca.htm It is distinct from all the above spp., hence there is not confusion in id. Here the leaves are broadly obovate and densely hairy beneath. Fruits subspherical and smooth, 2-3 seeded.
 
With regards

R. Vijayasankar
NCNPR, Univ.Mississippi
Oxford, MS, USA.

madhuca insignis.jpg
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008_Madhuca insignis.pdf

Gurcharan Singh

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Jun 2, 2010, 9:53:29 PM6/2/10
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Thanks Vijayasankar ji
You have clarified many things. 
The focus is now my third photograph (and three photographs posted separately also). It is not M. longifolia var. latifolia (suggested by Tabish ji and Rashida ji) or even M. longifolia var. longifolia (suggested by Neil ji). Let us explore M. butyracea further for my plant.

Rashida Atthar

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Jun 3, 2010, 9:23:58 AM6/3/10
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Thank you so much Dr. Vijayasankar ji for the detailed explanation. Thank you also  for showing  us the beautiful M. Insignis pictures.   The difference in the species is very clear now.

regards,
Rashida.

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