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Muthu Karthick

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Dec 12, 2009, 2:54:51 AM12/12/09
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Please id this large, common riparian tree found in eastern ghats valley. I suspect this belongs to Euphorbiaceae. 
Fruits 1-1.5inch across; leaves glabrous.


Date: 10 dec 2009

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Dinesh Valke

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Dec 12, 2009, 3:12:32 AM12/12/09
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... wildly guessing it to be some species of Mallotus.
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Vijayasankar Raman

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Dec 14, 2009, 3:51:29 AM12/14/09
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Could it be Trewia nodiflora ????
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Muthu Karthick

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Dec 15, 2009, 3:27:30 AM12/15/09
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Thank you all.
As per the details in the following link, the tree matches with Trewia nudiflora.
http://forest.ap.nic.in/Forest%20Flora%20of%20Andhra%20Pradesh/Flora%20by%20M%20Sharfuddin%20Khan/Botanical%20Names/Trewia%20nudiflora.htm

Dinesh Valke

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Dec 15, 2009, 7:34:53 AM12/15/09
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... the leaves of this plant do not seem to be cordate, (the base of leaf rather resembles to that of Gmelina arborea) ... a possible variation ?
 
 
Trewia nudiflora ... synonym of Mallotus nudiflorus ... commonly known as: false white teak, river portia • Assamese: bhelkol • Bengali: pitali • Garo: arurong, bol diktak, bol khap • Hindi: पिण्डालु pindalu, पिण्डार pindar • Kannada: ಕಾಡುಗುಮ್ಬಳ kaadugumbala, ಕಾಡುಕಮ್ಚೀ kaadukamchi • Khasi: dieng soh lyndot • Konkani: बोंवारो bomvaro • Lushai: thing-chingel • Malayalam: നീര്‍ക്കടമ്പ് niirkkatamp, പമ്പരക്കുമ്പിള്‍ pamparakkumpil • Manipuri: wangphop • Marathi: पेटारी petari • Nepalese: gurel • Oriya: pithaliya • Sanskrit: पिण्डारः pindarah • Tamil: ஆற்றுப்பூவரசு arru-p-puvaracu • Telugu: ఏరుపొణకు eruponaku • Urdu: پنڐارا pindara
 
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Muthu Karthick

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Dec 15, 2009, 7:37:16 AM12/15/09
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Gmelina is impossible sir, there is no fulvous tomentose beneath the leaf nor aromatic.
Gmelina has yellow flowers that are larger.

Dinesh Valke

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Dec 15, 2009, 8:11:37 AM12/15/09
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No, No... I did not mean to ID as G. arborea.
Was comparing the leaves of the plant you posted ... they are not cordate, but their base has the shape of G. arborea leaves.
Hope this clarification has not increased confusion.
 
 
T. nudiflora leaves are cordate ... the link to Forest Flora of Hyderabad State - by M Sharfuddin Khan does descrobe the leaf base as " ... from a cordate or rounded base ... "
The tree flowers when it is almost leafless.
 
Here are photos of what I believe as T. nudiflora (syn. of Mallotus nudiflorus) ... http://www.flickr.com/search/?s=int&w=91314344@N00&q=Mallotus+nudiflorus&m=text
 
Hoping some comments to correct me or validate the ID further.
 
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Muthu Karthick

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Jan 19, 2010, 7:35:50 AM1/19/10
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Hi all,
Attached picture shows the flowers of the same Trewia tree.
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J.M. Garg

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Feb 23, 2010, 7:16:11 AM2/23/10
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Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise pl.

Earlier relevant feedback:

“... wildly guessing it to be some species of Mallotus.” from Dinesh ji.

 

Could it be Trewia nodiflora ????” from Vijayasankar ji.

 

“Thank you all.

As per the details in the following link, the tree matches with Trewia nudiflora.
 
"... the leaves of this plant do not seem to be cordate, (the base of leaf rather resembles to that of Gmelina arborea) ... a possible variation ?" from Dinesh ji.


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J.M. Garg

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Feb 24, 2010, 12:56:25 AM2/24/10
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A reply from Satish Pardeshi ji:
"i have observed Trewia nodiflora flowering when it is more or less leafless. s(see Dinesh ji pics in Flicr.). this plant is in leaf so some doubts.
also the fruit should have a deep line on one side, which is not visible in this pic."

J.M. Garg

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Mar 12, 2010, 4:54:26 AM3/12/10
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Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise pl.
Earlier relevant feedback:
“... wildly guessing it to be some species of Mallotus.” from Dinesh ji.
 
Could it be Trewia nodiflora ????” from Vijayasankar ji.
 
“As per the details in the following link, the tree matches with Trewia nudiflora.
http://forest.ap.nic.in/Forest%20Flora%20of%20Andhra%20Pradesh/Flora%20by%20M%20Sharfuddin%20Khan/Botanical%20Names/Trewia%20nudiflora.htm” from Muthu ji.
 
"... the leaves of this plant do not seem to be cordate, (the base of leaf rather resembles to that of Gmelina arborea) ... a possible variation ?" from Dinesh ji.

"i have observed Trewia nodiflora flowering when it is more or less leafless. s(see Dinesh ji pics in Flicr.). this plant is in leaf so some doubts.
also the fruit should have a deep line on one side, which is not visible in this pic." from S. Pardeshi ji.
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Trewia nodiflora
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surajit koley

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May 12, 2012, 3:23:25 PM5/12/12
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Dinesh Ji,

A search for images of Mallotus nudiflorus in the net results links of your flickr & flowersofindia uploads. The search result also yields pictures from this group. There is almost nothing outside this efI circle.

On the other hand a search for Trewia nudiflora yields images and data outside the above efI circle and some of those results matches with uploads from me, Balkar Sir and some other members.

Herbarium available in the net does not tell that the leaves of T. nudiflora / M. nudiflorus will have to be always cordate.... please see - http://ww2.bgbm.fu-berlin.de/herbarium/Access.cfm?CurrentPage=2&Col=4&IsoCode=CN&Fam=EUPHORBIACEAE&SubColl=all&Genus=all&FullNameCache=all



Could you please give me links of your info source?

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surajit koley

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May 12, 2012, 3:48:20 PM5/12/12
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Can anybody please tell me what is the meaning of the term "nudiflora"?


Anything else?

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surajit

surajit koley

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May 12, 2012, 3:58:05 PM5/12/12
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Sorry, i have pasted a link twice, please replace the last link with this one -  http://db.kib.ac.cn/eflora/Photo/ORGFLORA/44(2)-012.jpg

Thank you & Regards,

surajit

Dinesh Valke

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May 14, 2012, 9:58:25 AM5/14/12
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Surajit ji, my reference for Mallotus nudiflorus is Shrikant Ingalhalikar's field guide -- Further Flowers of Sahyadri.
Trewia nudiflora L. is a synonym of Mallotus nudiflorus (L.) Kulju & Welzen ... The Plants List.
Regards.
Dinesh




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surajit koley

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May 14, 2012, 1:44:53 PM5/14/12
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Thank you Dinesh Ji for providing me your source of reference. Hope this field guide includes good illustraions/photographs of the Mallotus nudiflorus.

Regards,

Surajit

Dinesh Valke

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May 14, 2012, 1:52:35 PM5/14/12
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Yes, no doubts, Surajit ji.
Regards.
Dinesh

surajit koley

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May 14, 2012, 2:02:29 PM5/14/12
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Thank you once again Dinesh Ji for this very important info.

Regards,

Surajit Koley
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