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Dinesh Valke

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Jun 3, 2010, 1:06:13 PM6/3/10
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Dear friends,
Got confused while getting scientific names for moong and udid ... please help.

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Dinesh Valke

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Jun 3, 2010, 2:33:37 PM6/3/10
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Many thanks to Pankaj ji for his response:

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Vigna radiata- Moong. Green Gram

Vigna mungo-Udid, Urd Black Gram.


Pankaj Oudhia

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Dinesh Valke

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Jun 3, 2010, 3:04:01 PM6/3/10
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Referring A dictionary, Marathi and English by Molesworth, J. T. (James Thomas), got following results for:

Mung: Phaseolus mungo ... (current name: Vigna mungo var. mungo)
... http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/romadict.pl?query=m%C5%ABga&searchhws=yes&display=utf8&table=molesworth

Udid: Phaseolus radiatus ... (current name: Vigna radiata var. radiata)
... http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/romadict.pl?query=u%E1%B8%8D%C4%ABda&searchhws=yes&display=utf8&table=molesworth


Dear friends, please comment / validate.

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Gurcharan Singh

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Jun 3, 2010, 9:33:41 PM6/3/10
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Dinesh ji
Pankaj ji had put you on right track. You are again getting confused. Just remember this reverse relationship. Moong is Vigna radiata and Urd is V. mungo. Our students used to get confused also.

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Dinesh Valke

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Jun 3, 2010, 11:12:04 PM6/3/10
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Gurcharan ji, many thanks for validation ... yes... Pankaj ji has given me correct IDs.
Certainly, the entries for the pulses have their botanical names put incorrectly in the Digital Dictionary at http://dsal.uchicago.edu/dictionaries/molesworth/

Many many thanks Pankaj ji.

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Dinesh Valke

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Jun 5, 2010, 5:08:30 AM6/5/10
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Dear friends, please bear with elaborating the fuss with RADIATA and MUNGO ... however the confusion seems to be reigning.

A line at Wikipedia throws slight light over the confusion:
Urad (Vigna mungo), ... It, along with the mung bean, was placed in Phaseolus but has been transferred to Vigna. It was at one point considered to belong to the same species as the mung bean.
... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urad_(bean)


We have the following as fact:
Vigna radiata (syn. Phaseolus radiatus) ... MOONG, GREEN GRAM
Vigna mungo (syn. Phaseolus mungo) ... UDID, URD, BLACK GRAM


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In search of Vigna mungo or the the more popular Phaseolus mungo, ... following contradicting results:

Names in all languages for moong, for Phaseolus mungo ... ENVIS - FRLHT ... http://envis.frlht.org/plant_details.php?disp_id=2194

HINDI ... http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/search3advanced?dbname=platts&query=Phaseolus+mungo&matchtype=exact&display=utf8
H مونگ मूंग mūṅg [Prk. मुग्गो; S. मुट्गः], s.m. A species of pulse, Phaseolus mungo

KASHMIRI ... http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/search3advanced?dbname=grierson&query=mungo&matchtype=exact&display=utf8
mŏng 1 म्वंग् । मुद्गः m. a species of pulse, Phaseolus Mungo (El. Phaseolus Max or Radiatus)

MARATHI ... http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/romadict.pl?query=%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%82%E0%A4%97&searchhws=yes&display=utf8&table=molesworth
मूग (p. 662) [ mūga ] m (मुद्ग S) A grain, Phaseolus mungo

PUNJABI ... http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/search3advanced?dbname=singh&query=MUṆG&matchtype=exact&display=utf8
MÚṆG ਮੂੰਗ s. f. A plant (Phaseolus mungo, Nat. Ord. Leguminosæ)

SANSKRIT ... http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/search3advanced?dbname=apte&query=mungo&matchtype=exact&display=utf8
रसः rasḥ : (page 1331) ... (-मः) 1 quicksilver.-2 Phaseolus Mungo (Mar. मूग).
सौख्यम् saukhyam : (page 177) ... -दायकः Phaseolus Mungo (Mar. मूग).
हयः hayḥ : (page 1748) ... .-आनन्दः green grain of Phaselous Mungo (Mar. हिरवे मूग)
मुद्ग (p. 230) [ mud-gá ] m. kind of kidney-bean (Phaseolus Mungo: the plant and the seed).

TAMIL ... http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/search3advanced?dbname=tamillex&query=mungo&matchtype=exact&display=utf8
சிறுபயறு ciṟu-payaṟu, n. < id. +. 1. Green gram, Phaseolus mungo;
பச்சைப்பயறு paccai-p-payaṟu, n. < id. +. 1. Green gram, Phaseolus mungo;
பயறு payaṟu, n. ... Green-gram, Phaseolus mungo

TELUGU ... http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/search3advanced?dbname=gwynn&query=mungo&matchtype=exact&display=utf8
pesara n. (gen. pl. pesalu) greengram, phaseolus mungo


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In search of adad, udid, urad, urd ... following contradictory results:

GUJARATI ... http://www.gujaratilexicon.com/index.php?action=dictionary&chngdictype=EG
અડદ adad m. pl. kind of pulse, black beans, phaseolus radiatus

HINDI ... http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/search3advanced?dbname=platts&query=%E0%A4%89%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%A6&matchtype=exact&display=utf8
H ارد उरद urd, urad, s.m. A kind of vetch, Dolichos pilosus

MARATHI ... http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/romadict.pl?query=उडीद&searchhws=yes&display=utf8&table=molesworth
उडीद (p. 091) [ uḍīda ] m A pulse, Phaseolus radiatus

PUNJABI ... http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/search3advanced?dbname=singh&query=uṛd&matchtype=exact&display=utf8
MÁṆH ਮਾਂਹ s. m. A kind of grain (Phaseolus radiatus, P. Roxburghii, Nat. Ord. Leguminosæ) of which an edible pulse is made, (i. e. uṛd);


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MIX-UP

IMPGC ... http://impgc.com/plantinfo_A.php?id=307&bc
Botanical Name: Phaseolus mungo L. non Gagn.
English Name: Black gram, Mung bean, Urd bean.
Synonym(s): Vigna mungo (L.) Hepper Azukia mungo (L.) Masam., Phaseolus mungo L. non Roxb. & auct. mult., Phaseolus mungoradiatus sensu Baker, Phaseolus radiatus Roxb., non L., Phaseolus roxburghii Wight & Arn., Vigna mungo (L.) Hepper var mungo.

NPGS / GRIN ... http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?41621
black gram (Source: World Econ Pl ) - English
moong (Source: Dict Rehm ) - India

M.M.P.N.D. ... http://www.plantnames.unimelb.edu.au/Sorting/Vigna.html#mungo
SYNONYM(S) : Azukia mungo (L.) Masam., Phaseolus mungo L. non Gagn., Phaseolus mungo L. non Roxb. & auct. mult., Phaseolus mungo L. var. radiatus sensu Baker, Phaseolus radiatus Roxb., non L., Phaseolus roxburghii Wight & Arn., Vigna mungo (L.) Hepper var mungo.
HINDI :  उरद Urd, उर्द, मूंग.


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All this ado raised a few queries in my mind:

1) what could be the reason for mistaking identities of moong and urid ?
2) on what basis are the facts ascertained (that V. mungo is urd and V. radiata is moong ) ?
3) why the reverse naming (i.e. why was mung not named Vigna mungo) ?
4) is the epithet mungo commemorative for the Scottish explorer of the African continent, Mungo Park (1771 – 1806) ?
... if so, what were the regional (native) names of mung called earlier to coining the epithet.
5) how many other species share this epithet ? ... could not get any search results for floral species ... fauna, some species of mongoose.

Regards.

Dinesh Valke

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Jun 5, 2010, 5:46:09 AM6/5/10
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Dear friends,

Now realizing of having put a host of queries in a single post ... may become a burdensome thread.
Splitting this post query-wise. Responses are solicited accordingly.


Regards.

Dinesh Valke

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Jun 5, 2010, 6:24:54 AM6/5/10
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Dear friends, ... for sake of convenience, have split the thread per query, as follows:



1) what could be the reason for mistaking identities of moong and urid ?
... http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/920d5a83115574cd?hl=en#


2) on what basis are the facts ascertained (that V. mungo is urd and V. radiata is moong ) ?
... http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/19b5940ea41b6bf3?hl=en#


3) why the reverse naming (i.e. why was mung not named Vigna mungo) ?
... http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/4405ff6402e20ebc?hl=en#


4) is the epithet mungo commemorative for the Scottish explorer of the African continent, Mungo Park (1771 – 1806) ?
... if so, what were the regional (native) names of mung called earlier to coining the epithet.
... http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/8088575e1a13f9ab?hl=en#


5) how many other species share this epithet ? ... could not get any search results for floral species ... fauna, some species of mongoose.
... http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/5e21ce9e0946fda1?hl=en#


Will appreciate responses in those threads ... assuming it will easy for all of us.


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