ZINGIBERACEAE: Curcuma euchroma Valeton

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Pankaj Kumar

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Sep 17, 2011, 8:54:03 AM9/17/11
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Curcuma euchroma Valeton, Bull. Jard. Bot. Buitenzorg, II, 27: 42 (1918).

Synonyms:
Amomum zerumbet J.König in A.J.Retzius, Observ. Bot. 3: 55 (1783), nom. illeg.
Erndlia subpersonata Giseke, Prael. Ord. Nat. Pl.: 252 (1792).
Curcuma zerumbet Roxb., Asiat. Res. 11: 332 (1810).
Curcuma officinalis Salisb., Trans. Hort. Soc. London 1: 285 (1812).

Family: ZINGIBERACEAE
Distribution: Jawa
Current Location: KFBG, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong (from gardens)

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Pankaj
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Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae)
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Flora Conservation Department
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raju das

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Sep 17, 2011, 11:21:27 AM9/17/11
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Dear Sir,
Thanks for showing such a beautiful Curcuma from Hong Kong. I have attached my photographs .......from Indo-Bhutan border area. I need your help to validate the ID
 
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Raju Das 

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Pudji Widodo

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Sep 17, 2011, 12:01:42 PM9/17/11
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Dear Dr Pankaj Ji,

Thank you for uploading our plant from Java that has been planted in
Hong Kong.

Regards,
Pudji Widodo
Fakultas Biologi Universitas Jenderal Soedirman
PURWOKERTO 53122 INDONESIA

Dr Pankaj Kumar

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Sep 17, 2011, 12:22:44 PM9/17/11
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Thanks a lot for the appreciations.
Regards
Pankaj

Madhuri Pejaver

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Sep 17, 2011, 3:16:06 PM9/17/11
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I remembered the nest of harvester ants. Very nice.
My questions
Does the infloresence appear green when young and red when old?
Dont the flowers give appearence of orchid flower?
Madhuri

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Dr Pankaj Kumar

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Sep 17, 2011, 9:09:31 PM9/17/11
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The inflorescence is green when young and then turns to red gradually.
If you press the round thing, it oozes out the fragrant nectar and
water.
Pankaj


On Sep 18, 3:16 am, Madhuri Pejaver <formpeja...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I remembered the nest of harvester ants. Very nice.
> My questions
> Does the infloresence appear green when young and red when old?
> Dont the flowers give appearence of orchid flower?
> Madhuri
>
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Madhuri Pejaver

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Sep 18, 2011, 2:44:25 AM9/18/11
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Great' But still one more q remained unanswered. Dont the flowers look more like Orchid flowers?
Madhuri

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Pankaj Kumar

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Sep 18, 2011, 4:44:41 AM9/18/11
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Yes Curcuma does look like a bit of Orchid because of the rostellum
like structure. But there is no pollinia in Curcuma, there are proper
anthers.
Pankaj

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Madhuri Pejaver

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Sep 18, 2011, 5:00:58 AM9/18/11
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ok. will disect the flower of curcuma next time.
Thanks
Madhuri

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Pankaj Kumar

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Sep 18, 2011, 5:09:08 AM9/18/11
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Check this illustration. It will help you in making plates.
Pankaj
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Madhuri Pejaver

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Sep 18, 2011, 5:19:29 AM9/18/11
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Ok. thanks.
In the series of evolution are Orchid near any where of Curcuma?
I dont know being non botanist. But appearence is very close.

Pankaj Kumar

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Sep 18, 2011, 5:28:33 AM9/18/11
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Actually it is more close to Asparagaceae according to recent
findings. I hope you know that Liliaceae is now in another group
Liliales and Amaryllidaceae in Asparagales.
Its complicated but in simple words, Orchidaceae is more close to
Asparagaceae and Amaryllidaceae and Zingiberaceae is more close to
Commelinaceae. and both are in two different groups (scientifically
speaking Orders).
Pankaj

Madhuri Pejaver

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Sep 18, 2011, 5:33:15 AM9/18/11
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Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuum!
Families with examples i knew. but not the merger. S o when we go for these families will get further surprises.
ok Thanks for patience to answer me

Pankaj Kumar

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Sep 18, 2011, 5:34:27 AM9/18/11
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Orchids and Orchidilogists are full of surprises.
But I think this will stay.
Best wishes.
Pankaj

Dr Pankaj Kumar

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Sep 19, 2011, 8:58:19 PM9/19/11
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Zingiber zerumbet (L.) Roscoe ex Sm., Exot. Bot. 2: 105 (1806).

Synonyms:
Amomum zerumbet L., Sp. Pl.: 1 (1753).
Zingiber sylvestre Garsault, Fig. Pl. Méd.: t. 34b (1764), opus utique
oppr.
Amomum sylvestre Lam., Encycl. 1: 134 (1783), nom. superfl.
Zerumbet zingiber T.Lestib., Ann. Sci. Nat., Bot., II, 15: 329 (1841).

I am extremely sorry. I got confused. This plant is Zingiber zerumbet
distributed in Tropical and Subtropical Asia.
Regards
Pankaj



On Sep 18, 5:34 pm, Pankaj Kumar <sahanipan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Orchids and Orchidilogists are full of surprises.
> But I think this will stay.
> Best wishes.
> Pankaj
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Madhuri Pejaver <formpeja...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuum!
> > Families with examples i knew. but not the merger. S o  when we go for these families will get further surprises.
> > ok Thanks for patience to answer me
> > Madhuri
>
> > --- On Sun, 18/9/11, Pankaj Kumar <sahanipan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> From: Pankaj Kumar <sahanipan...@gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:82122] Re: ZINGIBERACEAE: Curcuma euchroma Valeton
> >> To: "Madhuri Pejaver" <formpeja...@yahoo.com>
> >> Cc: "efloraofindia" <indian...@googlegroups.com>
> >> Date: Sunday, 18 September, 2011, 2:58 PM
> >> Actually it is more close to
> >> Asparagaceae according to recent
> >> findings. I hope you know that Liliaceae is now in another
> >> group
> >> Liliales and Amaryllidaceae in Asparagales.
> >> Its complicated but in simple words, Orchidaceae is more
> >> close to
> >> Asparagaceae and Amaryllidaceae and Zingiberaceae is more
> >> close to
> >> Commelinaceae. and both are in two different groups
> >> (scientifically
> >> speaking Orders).
> >> Pankaj
>
> >> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Madhuri Pejaver <formpeja...@yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Ok. thanks.
> >> > In the series of evolution are Orchid near any where
> >> of Curcuma?
> >> > I dont know being non botanist. But appearence is very
> >> close.
> >> > Madhuri
>
> >> > --- On Sun, 18/9/11, Pankaj Kumar <sahanipan...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> From: Pankaj Kumar <sahanipan...@gmail.com>
> >> >> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:82122] Re:
> >> ZINGIBERACEAE: Curcuma euchroma Valeton
> >> >> To: "Madhuri Pejaver" <formpeja...@yahoo.com>
> >> >> Cc: "efloraofindia" <indian...@googlegroups.com>
> >> >> Date: Sunday, 18 September, 2011, 2:39 PM
> >> >> Check this illustration. It will help
> >> >> you in making plates.
> >> >> Pankaj
>
> >> >> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Madhuri Pejaver
> >> <formpeja...@yahoo.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > ok. will disect the flower of curcuma next
> >> time.
> >> >> > Thanks
> >> >> > Madhuri
>
> >> >> > --- On Sun, 18/9/11, Pankaj Kumar <sahanipan...@gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> From: Pankaj Kumar <sahanipan...@gmail.com>
> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:82122] Re:
> >> >> ZINGIBERACEAE: Curcuma euchroma Valeton
> >> >> >> To: "Madhuri Pejaver" <formpeja...@yahoo.com>
> >> >> >> Cc: "efloraofindia" <indian...@googlegroups.com>
> >> >> >> Date: Sunday, 18 September, 2011, 2:14
> >> PM
> >> >> >> Yes Curcuma does look like a bit of
> >> >> >> Orchid because of the rostellum
> >> >> >> like structure. But there is no pollinia
> >> in
> >> >> Curcuma, there
> >> >> >> are proper
> >> >> >> anthers.
> >> >> >> Pankaj
>
> >> >> >> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Madhuri
> >> Pejaver
> >> >> <formpeja...@yahoo.com>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> > Great' But still one more q
> >> remained
> >> >> unanswered. Dont
> >> >> >> the flowers look more like Orchid
> >> flowers?
> >> >> >> > Madhuri
>
> >> >> >> > --- On Sun, 18/9/11, Dr  Pankaj
> >> Kumar <sahanipan...@gmail.com>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>            +852 5431 6094; +852
> >> 9436 6251
> >> >> (mobile)
>
> >> >> --
> >> >> ***********************************************
> >> >> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data
> >> Deficient
> >> >> !!"
>
> >> >> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae)
> >> >> Conservation Officer
> >> >> Flora Conservation Department
> >> >> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG)
> >> Corporation
> >> >> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong
>
> >> >> email: pku...@kbfg.org
> >> >>          sahanipan...@gmail.com
> >> >>          pankajsah...@rediffmail.com
> >> >> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:30pm)
> >> >>            +852 5431 6094; +852 9436 6251
> >> (mobile)
>
> >> --
> >> ***********************************************
> >> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient
> >> !!"
>
> >> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae)
> >> Conservation Officer
> >> Flora Conservation Department
> >> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation
> >> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong
>
> >> email: pku...@kbfg.org
> >>          sahanipan...@gmail.com
> >>          pankajsah...@rediffmail.com
> >> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:30pm)
> >>            +852 5431 6094; +852 9436 6251 (mobile)
>
> --
> ***********************************************
> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!"
>
> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae)
> Conservation Officer
> Flora Conservation Department
> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation
> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong
>
> email: pku...@kbfg.org
>          sahanipan...@gmail.com
>          pankajsah...@rediffmail.com
> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:30pm)
>            +852 5431 6094; +852 9436 6251 (mobile)

Prabhu kumar KM

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Sep 19, 2011, 11:46:24 PM9/19/11
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Dear all,
It si not coming under the genus Curcuma. It is Zingiber zerumbet commonly known as 'Shampoo ginger'
 
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Scientist 
Plant Systematics & Genetic Resources Division
Centre for Medicinal Plant Research (CMPR)
& 'CMPR' Herbarium
Kottakkal Arya Vaidya Sala
Kottakkal, Malappuram

Dr Pankaj Kumar

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Sep 19, 2011, 11:51:25 PM9/19/11
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Pankaj Kumar

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Sep 19, 2011, 11:52:38 PM9/19/11
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Sorry sir, But I had changed the subject already and written an
apology for the mistake too.
Regards
Pankaj

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***********************************************
"Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!"


Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae)
Conservation Officer
Flora Conservation Department
Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation
Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong

email: pku...@kbfg.org
         sahani...@gmail.com
         pankaj...@rediffmail.com


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Pudji Widodo

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Sep 21, 2011, 4:07:26 AM9/21/11
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Dear Friends,

I just would like to point out the differences between Curcuma and
Zingiber IN TERMS OF LEAVES based on Backer & Bakhuizen (1963) Flora
of Java.

Curcuma: leaves less than ten, distichous, lower one sheathing,
penninerved, petiole proper well developed, shorter than leaf sheath
belonging to it.

Zingiber: leaves numerous, distichous, the lower one reduced and
sheath like, pinnately nerved, petiole very short or absent.

Best Wishes,
Pudji Widodo
Faculty of Biology Jenderal Soedirman University
PURWOKERTO 53122 INDONESIA

Ushadi micromini

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Sep 24, 2011, 3:50:28 AM9/24/11
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Thanks, Pudiji.

This has been a question for a while

Usha di

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