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On 11/10/10, Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> *Cucumis maderaspatanus* (popular synonym: *Mukia maderaspatana*)
Mukia maderaspatana (L.) M.Roem. Fam. Nat. Syn. Monogr. 2: 47. 1846
Cucumis maderaspatanus L. Sp. Pl. 2: 1012. 1753
Type: Lectotype = "Cucumis Maderaspatensis fructu minimo" in Plukenet,
Phytographia, t. 170, f. 2, 1692
"TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !!"
Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae)
Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project
Department of Habitat Ecology
Wildlife Institute of India
Post Box # 18
Dehradun - 248001, India
According to GRIN accepted name is Cucumis maderaspatanus L. is the correct name and Mukia maderaspatana (L.) M. Roem. its synonym.
IPNI does provide the synonyms as well as basionyms and in this
particular taxa, it claims Cucumis as basionym. If you check the
record history of the taxa then there are editings done by "BARKER". I
know Dr. Tina Barker at IPNI personally, so I may ask her, but as the
site claims, most probably, her answer will be same.
Even JSTOR accepts Mukia as accepted name.
http://plants.jstor.org/flora/ftea001827 (I am not sure if you can
open this link, I can because I am a member of it).
Note that GRIN database claims that it was last updated in 2008, but
updation there may not mean updation in the synonymy but also any
other information on the webpage of particular species, that may
include other references.
IPNI may be wrong, and so can be GRIN, but I trust Dr. Charles Jarvis and JSTOR.
I am not forcing my point here. I am giving my reference and you are
giving yours. We just need to check who is correct. Both have our
references to support our views.
If we consider these, then the accepted name should be Cucumis
maderaspatanus. But the tree given in Cucumis 003 by S.S. Renner* and
H. Schaefer creates doubt for me, though I dont understand this tree
May be our friend Sid and Ritesh can help us out in understanding this.
Here the main reason given is the genetic makeup of the taxa which is
given in the three references I provided in my last mail. On the basis
of popularity it could have been done, but merging 5 different genera
into one is a big deal!!
Renner, S.S., H. Schaefer and A. Kocyan. 2007. Phylogenetics of
Cucumis (Cucurbitaceae): Cucumber (C. sativus) belongs in an
Asian/Australian clade far from melon (C. melo). BMC Evolutionary
Biology, 7: 58 - 69.
After all 99% of human gene match with chimpanzee, still we are so different.
On 11/10/10, tanay bose <tanay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> *Cucumis maderaspatanus*
> *Tanay Bose*
On 11/10/10, Vijayasankar <vijay.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Very interesting discussion.
> Change of names in this group has become constant!
> But, I think Schaefer has finally come up with a solution for the confusion
> in the nomenclature by merging the closely allied 'genera', though he has
> added few more new names in addition to the existing list. But, GRIN seem to
> have updated the nomenclature based on some ref. (on 26 June 2007) before
> publication of Schaefer's paper (published on 4 July 2007).
> Anyway, we should be aware that Cucumis ritchei is not our Cucumella ritchei
> which is now Cucumis indicus!!
> And from now we will call Mukia maderaspata as *Cucumis maderaspatanus*.
> Thanks Pankaj for the references.
> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Dinesh Valke
>> Our last mails overlapped ... !!!
>> Many thanks once again for digging deeper !!!
>> Hopefully friends pursuing *Mukia* and *Cucumis* will resolve this