DV - 27JUN10 - 0320 :: Arisaema ¿ species ?

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Dinesh Valke

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Jul 2, 2010, 9:33:10 AM7/2/10
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Dear friends,
This cobra lily does not have the tell-tale pink hue that is seen in Arisaema murrayi, the spadix ends within the hood of the spathe -- assumimg therefore it may not be A. tortuosum.
ID please.



Date/Time
: June 27, 2010 at 3.20pm IST
Location Place : near Pavana lake
Altitude :  about 600 - 700 m (above mean sea level)
GPS : not sure of location

Habitat : wild
Type : slopes

Plant
Habit
: tuberous herb
Height : about 30 cm
Length : - not a climber -

Leaves
Type
: digitate leaf with 5 leaflets
Shape : leaflet - elliptic, pointed at both ends.
Size : about 12 cm x 8 cm

Inflorescence
Type
: spadix
Size : do not know

Flowers
Size
: do not know
Colour : do not know
Calyx : do not know
Bracts : light green spathe blending to pure white

Fruits
Type
: berries
Shape : do not know
Size : do not know
Seeds : do not know


Other Info
Fragrance : do not know
Pollinator : do not know
Uses : do not know

 



Regards.
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tanay bose

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Jul 2, 2010, 9:44:01 AM7/2/10
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Pakistan | Family List | Araceae | Arisaema
Arisaema tortuosum var. curvatum (Roxb.) Engler in Pflanzenr. 4, 23 F: 191. 1920.

Vern.: ‘Kiriki kukri’.

  • Arisaema curvatum (Roxb.) Kunth
  • Arum curvatum Roxb.

    Usually monoecious but sometimes paradioecious. Leaves (1-)2, pedate; leaflets 11-13, linear to lanceolate, 9-19 x 0.6-1.7 (-2.5) cm. Spathe longer than the foliage, green, ribbed; tube 5.4-5 cm long, cylindrical, gradually broadening into an ovate, caudate-acuminate limb, larger than the tube. Spadix appendage 8-19 cm long , stout, at first curved and then prolonged upright beyond the limb, black when dry. In monoecious forms the male zone longer than the female. Stamens stalked; anther dehiscence porose. Ovary ovoid, c. 1.5 mm long; style short, stigma discoid, papillate. Berry 6-7 mm broad. Seeds 4-5, ± angular-ovoid, testa rugose, coriaceous, yellowish-brown.

    Fl. Per.: June July.

    Type: Nepal, Wallich 8926 (K).

    Distribution: Temperate and subtropical Himalaya, Baluchistan, W. China and N. Burma.

    Not common. The shape of the leaflets varies from linear-lanceolate to lanceolate. The colour of the anthers is bright yellow to white (fide Collett, l.c. 540). The type variety tortuosum (Arum tortuosum Wall. Pl. Asia, Rar. 2: 10, t. 114. 1830) differs in the broad elliptic-ovate to oblong-lanceolate leaves (4.6-10 x 2-4 cm) and the purple anthers (fide Collett, l.c.). Collett mentions that it is also earlier flowering. Its distribution is from Simla east to Burma.

    A root extract is used as a vermifuge for cattle.

Tanay

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Dinesh Valke

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Jul 2, 2010, 9:49:10 AM7/2/10
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But Tanay,
... Spadix appendage 8-19 cm long , stout, at first curved and then prolonged upright beyond the limb
...
is not observed here in this plant.

OR is it that the spadix is yet to grow ?

Regards.

tanay bose

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Jul 2, 2010, 10:12:06 AM7/2/10
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Dear Dinesh Ji ,
I am quite sure it is yet to grow , if this would have been a mature spadix it would have turned some what black in colour which me too have noted but here the colour is completely green which denoted its immaturity and hence will still grow. I have checked it with "Flowers of Himalaya" By Oleg Polunin & Adam Stainton [Plate No 128] confirms the description. I am attaching the scanned copy of the picture and description from the book.
Regards
Tanay
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Dinesh Valke

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Jul 2, 2010, 12:35:27 PM7/2/10
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Dear Tanay, many thanks for your efforts. Am not convinced with A. tortuosum because its spathe is normally green all over including the limb.
Moreover, the plant has 2 - 3 leaves, unlike solitary that is seen for this plant.

Many thanks to Prashant; he suggested A. murrayi ... this plant has characteristic pink / purple hue on the white spathe, which is missing in the plant in attached photos.
Re looked the photos of other plants in the same vicinity, found them to have the purple colouration in various degrees,

Thus considering this plant to be A. murrayi;

Attached are cropped versions of two other plants for supporting the ID.

Thanks and regards.
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Neil Soares

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Jul 2, 2010, 1:17:09 PM7/2/10
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Hi,
  Interesting debate !!!  Mine are not flowering now. They flower mainly in July but a little later. Sending a few photographs taken on my property over the last few years.
                          With regards,
                            Neil Soares.

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Arisaema curvatum (Roxb.) KunthArum curvatum Roxb.
Arisaema tortuosum, Sapkanda flowers 1.jpg
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Smilax004

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Jul 6, 2010, 12:04:28 PM7/6/10
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The plant in the pictures are not A. tortosum, for sure.

Regards,
Giby




On Jul 2, 6:44 pm, tanay bose <tanaybos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>   Pakistan | Family List | Araceae | Arisaema
>  *Arisaema tortuosum* var. *curvatum* (Roxb.) Engler in Pflanzenr. 4, 23 F:
> 191. 1920.
>
> *Vern.:* ‘Kiriki kukri’.
>
>   *Arisaema* *curvatum* (Roxb.) Kunth
> *Arum* *curvatum* Roxb.
>
> Usually monoecious but sometimes paradioecious. Leaves (1-)2, pedate;
> leaflets 11-13, linear to lanceolate, 9-19 x 0.6-1.7 (-2.5) cm. Spathe
> longer than the foliage, green, ribbed; tube 5.4-5 cm long, cylindrical,
> gradually broadening into an ovate, caudate-acuminate limb, larger than the
> tube. Spadix appendage 8-19 cm long , stout, at first curved and then
> prolonged upright beyond the limb, black when dry. In monoecious forms the
> male zone longer than the female. Stamens stalked; anther dehiscence porose.
> Ovary ovoid, c. 1.5 mm long; style short, stigma discoid, papillate. Berry
> 6-7 mm broad. Seeds 4-5, ± angular-ovoid, testa rugose, coriaceous,
> yellowish-brown.
>
>  *Fl. Per.:* June July.
>
> Type: Nepal, *Wallich* 8926 (K).
>
> Distribution: Temperate and subtropical Himalaya, Baluchistan, W. China and
> N. Burma.
>
> Not common. The shape of the leaflets varies from linear-lanceolate to
> lanceolate. The colour of the anthers is bright yellow to white (fide
> Collett, l.c. 540). The type variety *tortuosum* (*Arum tortuosum* Wall. Pl.
> Asia, Rar. 2: 10, t. 114. 1830) differs in the broad elliptic-ovate to
> oblong-lanceolate leaves (4.6-10 x 2-4 cm) and the purple anthers (fide
> Collett, l.c.). Collett mentions that it is also earlier flowering. Its
> distribution is from Simla east to Burma.
>
> A root extract is used as a vermifuge for cattle.
> Tanay
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear friends,
> > This cobra lily does not have the tell-tale pink hue that is seen in *Arisaema
> > murrayi*, the spadix ends within the hood of the spathe -- assumimg
> > therefore it may not be *A. tortuosum*.
> > indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com<indiantreepix%2Bunsubscribe@goog legroups.com>
> > .

Pardeshi S.

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Jul 7, 2010, 4:28:15 AM7/7/10
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can it be Arisaema murrayi
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanbrookes/2590229214/
Regards
Satish Pardeshi

On Jul 2, 9:35 pm, Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Tanay, many thanks for your efforts. Am not convinced with *A.
> tortuosum* because its spathe is normally green all over including the limb.
> Moreover, the plant has 2 - 3 leaves, unlike solitary that is seen for this
> plant.
>
> Many thanks to Prashant; he suggested *A. murrayi* ... this plant has
> characteristic pink / purple hue on the white spathe, which is missing in
> the plant in attached photos.
> Re looked the photos of other plants in the same vicinity, found them to
> have the purple colouration in various degrees,
>
> Thus considering this plant to be A. murrayi;
>
> Attached are cropped versions of two other plants for supporting the ID.
>
> Thanks and regards.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 7:42 PM, tanay bose <tanaybos...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear Dinesh Ji ,
> > I am quite sure it is yet to grow , if this would have been a mature spadix
> > it would have turned some what black in colour which me too have noted but
> > here the colour is completely green which denoted its immaturity and hence
> > will still grow. I have checked it with "Flowers of Himalaya" By Oleg
> > Polunin & Adam Stainton [Plate No 128] confirms the description. I am
> > attaching the scanned copy of the picture and description from the book.
> > Regards
> > Tanay
>
> > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >> But Tanay,
> >> ... Spadix appendage 8-19 cm long , stout, at first curved and then *prolonged
> >> upright beyond the limb* ...
> >> *is not observed* here in this plant.
>
> >> OR is it that the spadix is yet to grow ?
>
> >> Regards.
>
> >> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 7:14 PM, tanay bose <tanaybos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>  Pakistan | Family List | Araceae | Arisaema
> >>>  *Arisaema tortuosum* var. *curvatum* (Roxb.) Engler in Pflanzenr. 4, 23
> >>> F: 191. 1920.
>
> >>> *Vern.:* ‘Kiriki kukri’.
>
> >>>   *Arisaema* *curvatum* (Roxb.) Kunth
> >>> *Arum* *curvatum* Roxb.
>
> >>> Usually monoecious but sometimes paradioecious. Leaves (1-)2, pedate;
> >>> leaflets 11-13, linear to lanceolate, 9-19 x 0.6-1.7 (-2.5) cm. Spathe
> >>> longer than the foliage, green, ribbed; tube 5.4-5 cm long, cylindrical,
> >>> gradually broadening into an ovate, caudate-acuminate limb, larger than the
> >>> tube. Spadix appendage 8-19 cm long , stout, at first curved and then
> >>> prolonged upright beyond the limb, black when dry. In monoecious forms the
> >>> male zone longer than the female. Stamens stalked; anther dehiscence porose.
> >>> Ovary ovoid, c. 1.5 mm long; style short, stigma discoid, papillate. Berry
> >>> 6-7 mm broad. Seeds 4-5, ± angular-ovoid, testa rugose, coriaceous,
> >>> yellowish-brown.
>
> >>>  *Fl. Per.:* June July.
>
> >>> Type: Nepal, *Wallich* 8926 (K).
>
> >>> Distribution: Temperate and subtropical Himalaya, Baluchistan, W. China
> >>> and N. Burma.
>
> >>> Not common. The shape of the leaflets varies from linear-lanceolate to
> >>> lanceolate. The colour of the anthers is bright yellow to white (fide
> >>> Collett, l.c. 540). The type variety *tortuosum* (*Arum tortuosum* Wall.
> >>> Pl. Asia, Rar. 2: 10, t. 114. 1830) differs in the broad elliptic-ovate to
> >>> oblong-lanceolate leaves (4.6-10 x 2-4 cm) and the purple anthers (fide
> >>> Collett, l.c.). Collett mentions that it is also earlier flowering. Its
> >>> distribution is from Simla east to Burma.
>
> >>> A root extract is used as a vermifuge for cattle.
> >>> Tanay
>
> >>> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >>>> Dear friends,
> >>>> This cobra lily does not have the tell-tale pink hue that is seen in *Arisaema
> >>>> murrayi*, the spadix ends within the hood of the spathe -- assumimg
> >>>> therefore it may not be *A. tortuosum*.
> >>>> indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com<indiantreepix%2Bunsubscribe@goog legroups.com>
> >>>> .
> >>>> For more options, visit this group at
> >>>>http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en.
>
> >>> --
> >>> Tanay Bose
> >>> +91(033) 25550676 (Resi)
> >>> 9830439691(Mobile)
>
> > --
> > Tanay Bose
> > +91(033) 25550676 (Resi)
> > 9830439691(Mobile)
>
>
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Dinesh Valke

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Jul 7, 2010, 4:32:27 AM7/7/10
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Yes, many thanks, Satish ji ... it is resolved to A. murrayi.
Regards.



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