Pls help ID -- Another Spiny shrub S4

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A.Sinha

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Jan 30, 2011, 3:41:55 PM1/30/11
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A low growing spiny shrub with binate leaves, growing in outskirts of Calcutta, December
No blooms were seen.
Thanks for any inputs
A.Sinha
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Gurcharan Singh

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Jan 30, 2011, 9:40:18 PM1/30/11
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I hope Pithacelobium dulce


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Nayan Singh

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Jan 30, 2011, 10:02:30 PM1/30/11
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Yes it is Pithecellobium dulce , a tree not a shrub.
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Gurcharan Singh

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Jan 30, 2011, 10:10:55 PM1/30/11
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Thanks Nayan ji, for indicating the correct spellings.


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Na Bha

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Jan 31, 2011, 6:18:21 AM1/31/11
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Hallo,
 
Pithecellobium dulce

But  why is it called Dulche? Dulche is sweet or gentel.
With spines it can't be gentel, so is any part of it sweet?
In wiki I found the name जंगल जलेबी Jungle jalebi
The Fotos of Jangle Jalebi looked somewhat different though!!
 
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Jan 31, 2011, 6:37:45 AM1/31/11
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The ripe fruit after peeling is very soft and tender. Very nice to feel. Though many like it I have not tasted any sweet fruit.
Madhuri

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Na Bha

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Jan 31, 2011, 6:52:58 AM1/31/11
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But is it जंगल जलेबी Jungle jalebi?

Pankaj Kumar

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Jan 31, 2011, 1:52:17 PM1/31/11
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DULCE or DULCIS means SWEET.
Yes the fruits are sweet. I imagine why they call Scoparia dulcis as
sweet broom :)) SWEET and BROOM sounds contradictory :)
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Pankaj Oudhia

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Jan 31, 2011, 2:04:46 PM1/31/11
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Scoparia is known as Mitthi Patti i.e. sweet leaves and since generations the Healers are adding it in bitter decoction to make it sweet. Like Sida it is used as broom by rural people.

It is not Meethi Jhadu. मीठी झाड़ू

;)

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Vijayasankar

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Jan 31, 2011, 5:53:20 PM1/31/11
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I think the name 'jungle jalebi' refers mainly to the shape of the fruit, and not the taste. I may be wrong though.
 
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Mahadeswara

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Jan 31, 2011, 10:35:18 PM1/31/11
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Yes.The name jungli jilebi is because of the shape.

On Feb 1, 3:53 am, Vijayasankar <vijay.botan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think the name 'jungle jalebi' refers mainly to the shape of the fruit,
> and not the taste. I may be wrong though.http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_v5idJ-5liiQ/TH7bvIkDKuI/AAAAAAAAPPA/sGP_bys...http://www.prlog.org/10748187-camachile.jpg
>
> Regards
>
> Vijayasankar Raman
> National Center for Natural Products Research
> University of Mississippi
>
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Pankaj Oudhia <pankajoud...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Scoparia is known as Mitthi Patti i.e. sweet leaves and since generations
> > the Healers are adding it in bitter decoction to make it sweet. Like Sida it
> > is used as broom by rural people.
>
> > It is not Meethi Jhadu. मीठी झाड़ू
>
> > ;)
>
> > regards
>
> > Pankaj Oudhia
>
> > On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 12:22 AM, Pankaj Kumar <sahanipan...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > DULCE or DULCIS means SWEET.
> > > Yes the fruits are sweet. I imagine why they call Scoparia dulcis as
> > > sweet broom :)) SWEET and BROOM sounds contradictory :)
> > > Pankaj
>
> > > On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Na Bha <nabha-megh...@gmx.de> wrote:
> > >> But is it जंगल जलेबी Jungle jalebi?
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> > >> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:37 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:61823] Pls help ID -- Another Spiny shrub S4
> > >> The ripe fruit after peeling is very soft and tender. Very nice to feel.
> > >> Though many like it I have not tasted any sweet fruit.
> > >> Madhuri
>
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> > >> ________________________________
> > >> From: "Na Bha" <nabha-megh...@gmx.de>
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Pankaj Oudhia

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Jan 31, 2011, 11:39:31 PM1/31/11
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Due to shape but also because both are sweet in taste.

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Pankaj Oudhia

A.Sinha

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Feb 4, 2011, 12:54:54 PM2/4/11
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Pithecellobium dulce.
Thanks  to all  for the ID , the interesting discussions and the assurance thats it is edible and sweet !
 I have seen jungli jalebi trees in Bihar ( now Jharkhand), but have never tasted the fruits!I

 looked up the earlier eflora link which also shows the buds
Jungle Jalebi- Pithecellobium dulce  

It also confirms the id for the  specimen seen in the wild in bangalore., attached below.  I think the second pic, budding twig is  from the same plant too.

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A.Sinha
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