Re: Safed Kantakari (Solanum xanthocarpum)

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Sarthak ji,
Do you mean the following plant, details of which are reproduced from Efloraofindia Database:

Solanum virginianum (syn. S. xanthocarpum, S. surattense)

Solanaceae

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2010/1/24 Sarthak Jain <jainsa...@gmail.com>

Dear Mr. Garg,

I am writing this Email with a lot of hope and optimism.
I am actually looking for a plant/flower called Safed Kantakari / Solanum xanthocarpum with white flowers.

From what I read over on Internet and talked to a few people you are considered like an institution in this field of flora.
For one of the treatments of my friend I am requiring this plant and it is very important.
Could you please tell me if you would have any knowledge as to where it could be found ?.

Hoping for a reply from your side.

Thanks and Best Regards

Sarthak Jain
M.S. Chemical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon University
91-9899910099

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[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding reply from Sarthak Jain for any assistance in the matter:

"Dear Mr. Garg,

So I will tell you what I know and where in my confusion lies.

So there is a plant/flower called KANTAKARI (Solanum xanthocarpum). Ayurvedic texts mention three varieties of the plant viz. violet flowered (described above),
yellow flowered and white flowered called as laksmana , which is rare. I am looking for this rare white flower called Laksmana.

Now when I researched further I found that Ipomoea muricata is also called Lakshmana but I am not really sure if I want this. I was the Safed (White) category of Kantakari.
It seems that Ipomoea muricata and White Flowers of Solanum xanthocarpum are the same but I am not really sure about that.

So I need some expert in this field to tell me what exactly is safed Kantakari and more importantly where I can find it as it's very important to one of the patients we know.

Regards

Sarthak Jain
M.S. Chemical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon University
91-9899910099"

2010/1/25 J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

[Pankaj Oudhia]

Dear Garg ji,

Safed Bhatkatiya or white flowered Kantkari is used in Traditional Healing. It is used as important ingredient in hundreds of Traditional Formulations. I have documented this knowledge. As it is rare in occurence the Traditional Healers hardly tell about its occurence.

It is widely used in Tantra activities. And as you know in Tantra such rare plants are always in great demand. It is believed that occurence of white flowered Bhatkatiya is indicator of presence of treasure. I have seen this plant many times but found that the story of treasure is not more than blind faith. It is also used in Vashikaran-the tantriks claim.

I have noted that due to such claims rare plants like this are becoming lesser day by day. The Healers are in much worry and now they are searching its alternative. I have written a lot on different aspects of this useful plant. These articles are available online.


Pankaj Oudhia  

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[Devi]

Hello to all the members,

I'm new to this very informative group and I hope to learn a lot here.
I am not an expert on Flora, but just a layperson with some
traditional knowledge so I'm a little hesitant to post here.

In Kerala, there are 10 sacred herbs that are grouped under the name
of "Dashapushpam". Lakshmana [ Thirutali in Malyalam] is one of them.
It's botanical name as per the book "Ayurvedic Drugs and their Plant
Sources" is Ipomoea Marginata/ Ipomoea Obscura. It's a creeper with
heart shaped leaves and white funnel like flowers.

The same book names the white flowered Kantakari as Solanum
Capsicoides and the purple flowered one as S.Surattense/xanthocarpum/
virginianum.

Regards,

Devi.

On Jan 25, 2:45 pm, "J.M. Garg" <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Forwarding reply from Sarthak Jain for any assistance in the matter:
> "Dear Mr. Garg,
> So I will tell you what I know and where in my confusion lies.

> So there is a plant/flower called *KANTAKARI (Solanum
> xanthocarpum).*Ayurvedic texts mention three varieties of the plant

> viz. violet flowered
> (described above),

> yellow flowered and white flowered called as *laksmana* , which is rare. I

> am looking for this rare white flower called Laksmana.

> Now when I researched further I found that *Ipomoea muricata* is also called

> Lakshmana but I am not really sure if I want this. I was the Safed (White)
> category of Kantakari.

> It seems that *Ipomoea muricata and White Flowers of Solanum xanthocarpum
> are the same but I am not really sure about that.*

> So I need some expert in this field to tell me what exactly is safed
> Kantakari and more importantly where I can find it as it's very important to
> one of the patients we know.
>
> Regards
> Sarthak Jain
> M.S. Chemical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon University
> 91-9899910099"
>

> 2010/1/25 J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com>

>
>
>
> >  Hi, Sarthak ji,
> > Do you mean the following plant, details of which are reproduced from
> > Efloraofindia Database:

> >            *Solanum virginianum (syn. S. xanthocarpum, S. surattense)* *
> > Solanaceae* ** ** H *Thorny Nightshade, Yellow Berried Nightshade, Thai

> > eggplant • Hindi: कटेली Kateli, ऊंट कंटेली Oonth Kateli • Manipuri:
> > লৈপুংখাংগ Leipungkhanga • Marathi: काटेरिंगणी Kateringani • Tamil:
> > Kantankattiri • Malayalam: Kantakariccunta, Kantakarivalutana • Telugu:
> > Nelamulaka, Vakudu • Kannada: Kantikari • Bengali: কংটকরী Kantakari • Oriya:

> > Bheji-baigana • Konkani: Kante ringini • Sanskrit: Kantakari * Bandhavgarh

> > area- 8/12/07; Sonepat, Haryana- March'09?; Himalaya's Herbs and Minerals

> > - Quality products start with quality raw materials<http://www.himalayahealthcare.com/aboutayurveda/cahs.htm>
> > Poppy - indiantreepix | Google Groups<http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/1...>

> > Solanum Xanthocarpum,Solanum Xanthocarpum Plant,Solanum Xanthocarpum

> > Exporters,Solanum Xanthocarpum Plant Exporters,India<http://www.motherherbs.com/solanum-xanthocarpum.html>
> >  A Comprehensive Portal For Medicinal Herbs : Plant Info<http://www.impgc.com/plantinfo_A.php?id=882&bc=>

> >  Yellow-berried Nightshade (Solanum surattense) - indiantreepix | Google

> > Groups<http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/8...>
> > Solanum virginianum - Thorny Nightshade<http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Thorny%20Nightshade.html>
>
> >  2010/1/24 Sarthak Jain <jainsarth...@gmail.com>
>
> >> **Dear Mr. Garg,

>
> >> I am writing this Email with a lot of hope and optimism.
> >> I am actually looking for a plant/flower called Safed Kantakari / Solanum
> >> xanthocarpum with white flowers.
>
> >> From what I read over on Internet and talked to a few people you are
> >> considered like an institution in this field of flora.
> >> For one of the treatments of my friend I am requiring this plant and it is
> >> very important.
> >> Could you please tell me if you would have any knowledge as to where it
> >> could be found ?.
>
> >> Hoping for a reply from your side.
>
> >> Thanks and Best Regards
>
> >> Sarthak Jain
> >> M.S. Chemical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon University
> >> 91-9899910099
>
> > --
> > With regards,

> > J.M.Garg (jmga...@gmail.com)

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Pankaj Oudyia ji

Kantakari in Sanskrit and Bengal, Bhatkhatya in Bihar, as I understand (useful plants of India CSIR, 1986) is the name for Solanum xanthocarpum Schrad., till recently correctly known as S. surratense Burm.f., but now correctly known as S. virginianum, as per GRIN. This I know has bluish-purple flowers. It would be interesting to what is white Kantakari or safed Bhatkatya is botanically. Could it be Ipomoea obscura as some on the group have suggested. The two species are very different in habit, leaf shape, flower colour and fruits, so should be no difficulty for person who has seen both, and known them as varieties of Kantakari. Perhaps you can throw light on this.

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Dear Pankaj Oudyia ji

Won't it be interesting if you upload the photographs depicting leaves, flowers and fruits of safed kantakari or safed bhatkatiyia. Perhaps some one on the group can identify or have it identified.

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SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Pankaj Oudhia <pankaj...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Gurucharan ji for your reply. The meaning of word "Kantkari" is missing in Ipomoea obscura. "Kantak" means spine or thorn which is present in Bhatkatiya and not in Ipomoea.

Our Traditional Healers use local names rather than Sanskrit names. They are not aware of Shwet Kantkari but aware of Safed Bhatkatiya. For the first time I collected this plant from forest and when I presented it among my professors, for them it was "Planta Neverseena."  They refused to identify it. As result it remained as unidentified species, atleast for me. We as well as Healers use it as Safed Bhatkatiya. It is similar to Solanum xanthocarpum except the color of flowers.

I have mentioned in my research documents that saag i.e. curry prepared from S.xanthocarpum is used to treat Asthma and associated troubles. When this herb fails to give the desriable effects then at first it is used in combination with White Bhatkatiya and at later stage white Bhatkatiya is used as single remedy.

Ipomoea obscura is also used as medicine but not known as relative to Bhatkatiya, neither in appearence nor in medicinal properties.

regards

Pankaj Oudhia  

[Pankaj Oudhia]

Thanks Gurucharan ji for your reply. The meaning of word "Kantkari" is missing in Ipomoea obscura. "Kantak" means spine or thorn which is present in Bhatkatiya and not in Ipomoea.

Our Traditional Healers use local names rather than Sanskrit names. They are not aware of Shwet Kantkari but aware of Safed Bhatkatiya. For the first time I collected this plant from forest and when I presented it among my professors, for them it was "Planta Neverseena."  They refused to identify it. As result it remained as unidentified species, atleast for me. We as well as Healers use it as Safed Bhatkatiya. It is similar to Solanum xanthocarpum except the color of flowers.

I have mentioned in my research documents that saag i.e. curry prepared from S.xanthocarpum is used to treat Asthma and associated troubles. When this herb fails to give the desriable effects then at first it is used in combination with White Bhatkatiya and at later stage white Bhatkatiya is used as single remedy.

Ipomoea obscura is also used as medicine but not known as relative to Bhatkatiya, neither in appearence nor in medicinal properties.

regards

Pankaj Oudhia  

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Pankaj Oudhia]

I will try to take its picture in next forest visit. Also prepare small film on its use specially for group.

regards

Pankaj Oudhia

[Pravin Kawale]

Hi,
Is it the same?
Photographed at Alibag ,Maharashtra
Jan,2006

On 1/26/10, Pankaj Oudhia <pankaj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I will try to take its picture in next forest visit. Also prepare small film
> on its use specially for group.
>
> regards
>
> Pankaj Oudhia
>
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Dear Pankaj Oudyia ji
>> Won't it be interesting if you upload the photographs depicting leaves,
>> flowers and fruits of safed kantakari or safed bhatkatiyia. Perhaps some
>> one
>> on the group can identify or have it identified.
>>
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>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089

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[R. Vijayasankar]

We all know that many plants species (for e.g. Calotropis, Hygrophila, Abrus, Lotus, Martynia, Desmodium gangeticum etc.) have a white-flowered form in addition to their typical form. These white-flowered forms preferred for medicinal use as they are considered more efficacious, and exploited since long. Perhaps this is the reason why these forms are very rare and in the verge of extinction in many species now. 

The white-flowered forms also found in some species of Solanum. I have seen white flowers in Solanum trilobatum and my colleague has seen white flowers in S. virginianum (= S. xanthocarpum) too. This phenomenon has been recorded also by Gamble (in Fl. Pres. Madras).

S. viarum, closely allied to S. virginianum, has creamy white flowers. However, S. virginianum can be distinguished by the presence of winged stems. 

With regards

R. Vijayasankar
FRLHT, Bangalore

[Gurcharan Singh]

Pravin ji

You seem to have photographed S. virginianum (S. xanthocarpum, S. surattense). S. capsicoides though having white flowers is much delicate plant with shorter prickles. Eflora of Pakistan mentions about white flowered forms. Pankaj Oudyia ji please tell us whether or not this is your safed Bhatkayia or white (safed) kantakari.

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Pravin Kawale <kawale...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Pankaj Oudhia]

Please wait for my next forest visit.

Pankaj Oudhia

[promila chaturvedi]

Similar plant grows wild in North India and villagers plant it to make some sort of fence to protect their
property. And they call it NAGPHANI.
promila 
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:13:02 +0530
> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:26814] Re: Safed Kantakari (Solanum xanthocarpum)
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> To: pankaj...@gmail.com
> CC: sing...@gmail.com; indian...@googlegroups.com

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[Gurcharan Singh]

NAGPHANI commonly refers to cactus Opuntia dillenii, commonly grown along fencings, less commonly O. ficus-indica. In MP Nagphani refers to Pedilanthus tithymaloides (slipper plant). In Himalayas NAGPHANI refers to species of Arisaema (there are many) with cobra hood like spadix inflorescence.

Solanum xanthocarpum, I don't think is refers to Nagphani. Promila ji may kindly throw light on this.

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[promila chaturvedi]

Prof. Gurucharan Ji,
I have seen the picture given below. Its large thorns, the green base and the shape. To me it looks like Opuntia dilleni. May be I am wrong, because I am not a Botanist or Forest Service persnal who has to deal with them all the time.
Promila

 
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:13:02 +0530
> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:26814] Re: Safed Kantakari (Solanum xanthocarpum)
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> To: pankaj...@gmail.com
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Updates

No. This is not Genuine Safed Kantkari or Safed Bhatkatiya. 

http://www.pankajoudhia.com/newwork140.html

Related Videos

No. This is not genuine Safed Bhatkatiya or Kantkari. Part-I.

http://www.pankajoudhia.com/video72.html

No. This is not genuine Safed Bhatkatiya or Kantkari. Part-II.

http://www.pankajoudhia.com/video73.html

Pankaj Oudhia