Names of Plants in India :: Rhynchoglossum obliquum

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Dinesh Valke

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Oct 12, 2011, 11:01:48 AM10/12/11
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Rhynchoglossum obliquum Blume

Rhynchoglossum obliquum Blume

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rin-koh-GLOSS-um -- from the Greek rhynchos (beak), and glossus (tongue)
oh-BLIK-wum -- diagonal; referring to the slant leaf base


commonly known as: Ceylon rhynchoglossum, small flowered rhynchoglossumMalayalam: kalu-tali


botanical names: Rhynchoglossum obliquum Blume ... synonyms: Antonia obliqua (Blume) R.Br. • Loxotis intermedia Benth. • Loxotis obliqua (Blume) R.Br. • Rhynchoglossum hologlossum Hayata • Rhynchoglossum zeylanicum Hook. • Wulfenia obliqua Wall.




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Photographed at Koraigad (~2870 ft asl) near Ambavane village, Maharashtra ... 08 OCT 2011

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Prashant awale

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Oct 12, 2011, 11:27:50 PM10/12/11
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Interesting find Dinesh. Never seen this plant before. Thanks for sharing.
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Prashant

H S

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Oct 13, 2011, 3:11:09 AM10/13/11
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Please also provide the detail character of the plant for confirmation of the species,, there are more species of Rhynchoglossum look similar to this.
 
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Dinesh Valke

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Oct 13, 2011, 6:26:28 AM10/13/11
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Many thanks HS for wanting to validate the plant ID.
As said earlier, I am not querying IDs of photos put in the posts with subject line having words "Names of Plants in India"

Here are details:
A small herb, standing about 30-50 cm tall.
Saw them colonising in spaces near rock walls, rock stairways, normally under cover of large trees.
Flowers tiny, had , about a 10 - 12 mm long X 3 - 4 mm wide; hard time capturing the pale blue colour blending to pure white.
These are on a long raceme, about 10 - 15 cm.
All of them grew along one side of the main stalk.


Please let me know one species of Rhynchoglossum that is confusing close to this R. obliquum.
Will help me understand both of them.

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Dinesh

Gurcharan Singh

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Oct 13, 2011, 7:01:03 AM10/13/11
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Dear H S
We are supposed to provide detailed description of the plant which is already identified by the author. It implies that he has checked the description of the plant before uploading. The details of plants are necessary for those who are uploading plants for ID. We should be happy that a person who already knows about his plant is sharing it with with. If you have your doubts you should highlight your doubts, rather than asking the author to give you details. 
   It would rather be good for you that when you contradict some identification, you should give reasons rather than a usual one line decision. We should justify our decision, especially when we are contradicting others.


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Gurcharan Singh

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Oct 13, 2011, 7:07:34 AM10/13/11
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The first line should read

We are not supposed to provide detailed description of the plant which is already identified by the author.


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Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

H S

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Oct 13, 2011, 7:21:36 AM10/13/11
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Dear all,
If someone doesnt want to put the details, its his choice, but i think when there are similar looking species in the same genus it would help to understand species in more details..
 
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Gurcharan Singh

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Oct 13, 2011, 9:22:23 AM10/13/11
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I think it is the problem of the person who has doubts, and should find the solution, rather than forcing/asking the person who is sure about identification to provide him information. 

I did do the investigation when doubts were created about Hibiscus vitifolius, Casia uniflora. Experts should give expert opinion with justification and not just give their verdict.


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Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 
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H S

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Oct 13, 2011, 11:26:41 AM10/13/11
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sorry to say but i dont rely on his identification since he give further refrences of some photographic books,,, that makes us understand from where he has checked his photos or confirmed with... no doubt that the quality of photos are quite good.. but identification of western Indian plant are not 100 percent.. so how can one reliable on his id..
 
and I still dont agree with H. vitifolius, since iut shows angular capsule.. which is the character of Kosteletzia..
 
and coming to Cassia, that plant is surely not C. absus which people have concluded..
 
I believe in Original local work instead of following Western World people...

Gurcharan Singh

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Oct 13, 2011, 11:44:24 AM10/13/11
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Dear H S 
If you don't believe single seeded diagnosis of Kosteletzia, although the whole world believes, I think no one can help you. Be happy with you conclusions. This forum is meant for frank discussions based on evidence and reasoning, but if you think you are closed to reasoning, I think it is your wish. If you still insist on Cassia uniflora (a name which does not exist), it is your luck, and I can't help you.



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Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

H S

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Oct 13, 2011, 12:37:54 PM10/13/11
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Sirji,
I never insist on Cassia uniflora, infact sometime back in one of post i said that Cassia now segregated in Three... 1.  Cassia (Type Cassia fistula L.), 2. Senna (Type Senna obtusifolia) and 3. Chamaecrista (Type Chamaecrista pumila)...
 
This segregation mainly done on the characters of the Anthers and the pods..
 
but still the group of Senna is not satisfactory... more segregation can be done... People like Rafin had give different generic names for the Plants with different anther characters..
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