ID Request- Munnar-PKA1

[Prashant Awale]

Dear Friends,

This herb was spotted in Shola forest near Munnar.

 Date/Time: 04/09/2018, 3:00PM

Plant Ht: approx. 1 to 2 ft.

Requesting ID..

Thanks & Regards

Prashant

[Dinesh Valke]

Nice find, dear Prashant !!

My wild guess - is it some orchid ? - based on the image IMG_3108, bit of leaves seen near ground - Malaxis sp ?

Regards.

Dinesh

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[Saroj Kumar Kasaju]

This definitely looks like Orchidaceae !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 3:00:39 PM UTC+5:45, Dinesh Valke wrote:

Nice find, dear Prashant !!

My wild guess - is it some orchid ? - based on the image IMG_3108, bit of leaves seen near ground - Malaxis sp ?

Regards.

Dinesh

On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 2:31 PM Prashant Awale <pka...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Friends,

This herb was spotted in Shola forest near Munnar.

 Date/Time: 04/09/2018, 3:00PM

Plant Ht: approx. 1 to 2 ft.

Requesting ID..

Thanks & Regards

Prashant

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Prashant ji 

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Thanks, Dinesh ji 

[Ravee Bhat]

Hi .. This is Calanthe species. Probably Calanthe sylvatica

Regards

Ravee

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Thanks, Dinesh ji 

On Sat 8 Sep, 2018, 2:45 PM Dinesh Valke, <dinesh...@gmail.com> wrote:

Nice find, dear Prashant !!

My wild guess - is it some orchid ? - based on the image IMG_3108, bit of leaves seen near ground - Malaxis sp ?

Regards.

Dinesh

On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 2:31 PM Prashant Awale <pka...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Friends,

This herb was spotted in Shola forest near Munnar.

 Date/Time: 04/09/2018, 3:00PM

Plant Ht: approx. 1 to 2 ft.

Requesting ID..

Thanks & Regards

Prashant

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Ravee ji.

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Saroj ji 

On Sun 9 Sep, 2018, 9:45 AM Saroj Kumar Kasaju, <kasaj...@gmail.com> wrote:

This definitely looks like Orchidaceae !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 3:00:39 PM UTC+5:45, Dinesh Valke wrote:

Nice find, dear Prashant !!

My wild guess - is it some orchid ? - based on the image IMG_3108, bit of leaves seen near ground - Malaxis sp ?

Regards.

Dinesh

On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 2:31 PM Prashant Awale <pka...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Friends,

This herb was spotted in Shola forest near Munnar.

 Date/Time: 04/09/2018, 3:00PM

Plant Ht: approx. 1 to 2 ft.

Requesting ID..

Thanks & Regards

Prashant

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[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Hi .. This is Calanthe species. Probably Calanthe sylvatica Regards Ravee

efi page on Calanthe sylvatica with images.

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[Pankaj Kumar]

Yes we already chatted, This i think is a natural hybrid of Calante triplicata and sylvatica (masuca).

Thanks for sharing.

Pankaj

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Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Hi .. This is Calanthe species. Probably Calanthe sylvatica Regards Ravee

efi page on Calanthe sylvatica with images.

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Dear Friends,

This herb was spotted in Shola forest near Munnar.

 Date/Time: 04/09/2018, 3:00PM

Plant Ht: approx. 1 to 2 ft.

Requesting ID..

Thanks & Regards

Prashant

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[Ushadi Micromini]

intriguing phrase:  a natural hybrid

what is it

how does one know or differentiate from a lab created hybrid?

thanks in advance , pankaj

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[Pankaj Kumar]

Natural hybrids are those plants that appear due to hybridization naturally, which happens when two or more compatible species co-occurrence in the same habitat and are cross pollinated by similar or same vectors. Not uncommon in orchids. This is how speciation also occurs, that is, new species are established. Also occur among animals like one of my friend worked on natural hybridization between domestic chicken and wild red jungle fowl in India.

Artificial hybrids are obviously produced by human being by crossing two different species or even genera. Usually they will register it with the authority at Royal Horticulture Society for example for orchids, Singapore Botanic Garden for Gingers etc.

Whether natural or artificial, one crucial issue is if the offsprings of the hybrids can produce fruits and seeds and if those seeds are able to produce plants identical to the hybrid parents. In most cases, they are not.

You will be surprised to know that there are only around 28000 orchid species in the world but around 150,000 - 200,000 orchid hybrids in the world. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genetic_hybrids some animals

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[Ushadi Micromini]

Dear Pankaj

thank you

i love the 1929 Nature report of the meeting or the debate. they were so very open and literate about their subjects.

my real question was

how does Pankaj know its a natural hybrid of Calante triplicata and sylvatica (masuca).

so now i will answer my own question:

1. Pankaj must know these two orchids occur in the same general vicinity

2. same pollinator visits them

3 Pankaj knows these orchids so well that he recognizes their features in a hybrid

and so it behooves someone to follow these plants up and see if fruits develop

and subsequent progeny starts a new species?

so Prashant  you have a big job now.

but before heroic efforts of traveling back to munnar etc .....

is this inference correct?

usha di

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[Pankaj Kumar]

Because when I see the characters then I can make out that its not any of the existing species. So first thought is, it could be a new species. Second guess with the colour and morphological characters I can guess that it could be a hybrid. Third question is if hybrid, then who are parents? All hybrids have mixture of characters from both parents, usually.  Then I know what two species are found in that region and sort out one by one.

On the other hand, if this plant produces fruits and seeds and seeds give plants same as this one which are able to set seeds and produce plant same as this, then they can be considered as a new species.

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[Ushadi Micromini]

thanks

quite a mental jog

thats why you are you

great

thanks again

usha di

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Flora Conservation Department

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Pankaj ji and Ushadi for this wonderful discussion. 

[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as  Calanthe natural hybrid- Munnar, Kerala 

Group discussion at

ID Request- Munnar-PKA1 (google.com)  

[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as  Calanthe natural hybrid- Munnar, Kerala 

Group discussion at

ID Request- Munnar-PKA1 (google.com)  

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[Pankaj Kumar]

Same Calanthe × dominyi Lindl.

Pankaj

[Gurcharan Singh]

Thanks a lot Pankaj

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

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[Prashant Awale]

Thanks a lot Pankaj Kumar Ji & Gurcharan Singh Ji.

Regards

Prashant