Hypertelis cerviana - YS Apr2020-13

[Yogesh Sharma]

Respected members,

This is Hypertelis cerviana (L.) Thulin (syn. - Mollugo cerviana (L.) Ser.).

Fam. - Molluginaceae

Date of Photos - Aug., 2019

Place - Rewari, Haryana

Regards,

Yogesh Sharma

[Mahadeswara]

Very beautiful up load. For me the ID is correct.

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Yogesh ji,

I think it may be Mollugo disticha (L.) Ser. as per images and references herein.

Looks different from  Mollugo cerviana (L.) Ser. as per images and references herein.

Pl. check with GBIF specimens like this one.

Do you have image of the habit and basal portion ?

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[Yogesh Sharma]

Respected Garg sir,
Photos on our eFI's Mollugo cerviana page looks different in terms of habit.
But in photos on eFI's Mollugo disticha page plant looks very different; the inflorescence is different, calyx size relative to the seed size is different and also the seed number, fruits in my photos have 4-5 seeds almost equal to the sepals in size but fruits in photos on eFI' Mollugo disticha have numerous seeds smaller in size than sepals..!

And I don't have any other good photo for habit sir.. I will observe this plant more carefully in this upcoming August because looks different from both.

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Yogesh ji,

I further examined our images, including your post, at Mollugo disticha w.r.t.  eFlora of Karaikal District  Flowers of India  GBIF  Specimen  Specimen 2  Flora of Ranga Reddi District Andhra Pradesh, India By T. Pullaiah, M. Silar Mohammed  Flora of Eastern Ghats: Hill Ranges of South East India, Volume 3 By T. Pullaiah (2007) and found these to be OK.

On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 at 09:36, Yogesh Sharma <yogesh...@gmail.com> wrote:

Respected Garg sir,
Photos on our eFI's Mollugo cerviana page looks different in terms of habit.

But in photos on eFI's Mollugo disticha page plant looks very different; the inflorescence is different, calyx size relative to the seed size is different and also the seed number, fruits in my photos have 4-5 seeds almost equal to the sepals in size but fruits in photos on eFI' Mollugo disticha have numerous fruits smaller in size than sepals..!

And I don't have any other good photo for habit sir.. I will observe this plant more carefully in this upcoming August because looks different from both.

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[J.M. Garg]

The aspects you are pointing out may be variations.

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Lalithamba ji.

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From: Lalithamba Avadhanam <alali...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 at 12:58
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:349094] Hypertelis cerviana - YS Apr2020-13
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

Yogesh ji collection is not Mollugo disticha, my collection is one from a rocky-sand area, another from sea-shore, further it is variable due to environmental conditions; we collected the seed and germinated in another locality it differs, it is compared with herbarium specimens in Amsterdam by Alexander Sukhurov of Moscow University. who is working on Mollugo sps 

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[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Lalithamba ji,

I am baffled by your one image with basal leaves at Submission of Mollugo disticha as I do not find any such specimen in GBIF

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Sukhorukov ji.

Hope you are doing well and are safe.

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From: Alexander P. Sukhorukov
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 at 14:30
Subject: Re: Fwd: [efloraofindia:348663] Hypertelis cerviana - YS Apr2020-13
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

Dear Dr. Garg ji,

Hopefully you are safe. The link to Mollugo disticha I have opened really shows the plants of M. disticha. 

Four images attached are not M. disticha. Many Molluginaceae looks the same, In your case I am almost sure it is Gisekia pharnaceoides (Gisekiaceae, not Molluginaceae), a common plant in India (except Himalaya). I don’t see the seeds, but Gisekia has 3-5 seeds compared with Molluginaceae usually having more than 10-15 seeds. Additinally, the leaves show C4-photosynthesis (a characteristic trait of Gisekia). The dry leaves and perianths of Gisekia always have «white stripes» indicating the presence of raphids (a special crystal type). The author of the images can check the leaves when they are dry. My conclusion is that the four images sent (besides M. disticha when clicking on this name)  are indeed Gisekia pharnaceoides. 

Best wishes,

Alexander
 

Среда, 29 апреля 2020, 11:45 +03:00 от J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>:
 

Hi, Sukhorukov ji,

May I request you to pl. confirm this as Mollugo disticha (L.) Ser. or otherwise.
 

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Alexander P. Sukhorukov
Leading Scientist, Dr. Sci.
Dept. Higher Plants
Biological Faculty
Moscow State University
119234 Russia

 

[Yogesh Sharma]

Thanks a lot Garg ji and Sukhorukov ji for concluding the final identification.

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 10:34:02 PM UTC+5:30, Yogesh Sharma wrote: