Fwd: Swamy/New series/ID/48 - climber for ID.

[M Swamy]

Dear members,

I am forwarding  h/w the  photos received from  Chennai  for ID. This is a  liana,   in a farm, entangling trees in a  vicious thorny hold. 

Picture of flowers not available.  Pods are  very thin and flat.

There is confusion  as to whether it is Senegalia caesia (L.) Maslin et al., Blumea 58:40. 2013 (syn: (≡) Acacia caesia (L.) Willd  as in efloraofindia or Senegalia intsia (L.) Maslin  syn. Acasia caesia.   Or both the names are one and the same.  If so what is the correct citation.  Please clarify.

[M Swamy]

I am reforwarding  with the proper ID number.  My previous posting on this plant carried a same number given to another plant (Dombeya spectabilis ).  That is why I am reforwarding with the proper ID reference number. 

[J.M. Garg]

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From: Mahadeswara <swamy...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Dec, 2021, 10:00 am
Subject: Fwd: Swamy/New series/ID/49 - climber for ID.
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

Please offer your valuable comments.

[J.M. Garg]

Yes, there seems to be some confusion. But both seem to be different as per 

Senegalia intsia (L.) Maslin, Seigler & Ebinger:
POWO, ILDIS, FoPI, CoL.

Senegalia caesia (L.) Maslin, Seigler & Ebinger
POWO, ILDIS, FoPI 

However, I could not find the keys between the two. Pl. check with descriptions give in FoPI at links above.

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[J.M. Garg]

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From: M Swamy <swamy...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 at 17:16
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:409720] Fwd: Swamy/New series/ID/49 - climber for ID.
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

Many many thanks Garg ji for your clarification.  You have  made extra efforts  to go through in detail.  Great !  . 

Best Regards,

Dr.M.Swamy

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[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Mahadeswara ji,

Did you check with the descriptions?

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[J.M. Garg]

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From: M Swamy <swamy...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 at 17:26
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:409720] Fwd: Swamy/New series/ID/49 - climber for ID.
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

Garg ji,

Not yet.  I will do so.

With Regards,

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[J.M. Garg]

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[J.M. Garg]

From the earlier books both appear to be same as per books:

Forest Plants of Eastern India - Page 225

Mansfeld's Encyclopedia of Agricultural and Horticultural ... - Page 600

Indian Medicinal Plants: A Compendium of 500 Species

It appears there was some taxonomic confusion somewhere.

But without keys and clear cut differences, it may be difficult to reach some conclusions. 

So until then let us keep it at 

Senegalia caesia, like other observations. 

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[Tapas Chakrabarty]

Acacia intsia or Senegalia intsia is a nomen confusum. Dr. Bruce Maslin, in a personal communication finally also agreed to my arguments. I take this plant as Senegalia caesia.

Thank you.

Tapas.

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Tapas ji, for the clarification.

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[J.M. Garg]

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From: M Swamy <swamy...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 8 Jan, 2022, 9:31 am
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:409720] Fwd: Swamy/New series/ID/49 - climber for ID.
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

Garg sir,

Thanks a lot for forwarding to  experts and  settling the  nomen confusion and  the  final ID.

Regards,

Dr.M.Swamy