Heracleum sp. for ID ABAUG2017/09

[Ashwini Bhatia]

This apeaceae was at about 3500m. It appears closer to Heracleum canescens but has different leaves and prominent involucels. Please help identify it.

Heracleum sp.?

Above Lahaish Cave, Towards Indrahar Pass, Dharamshala, HP

3500m

28-29 July 2017

Thanks.

Ashwini

[J.M. Garg]

Wonderful images again. 

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[J.M. Garg]

Comparative images at Heracleum

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Ashwini ji. 

On 04-Aug-2017 10:16 PM, "Ashwini Bhatia" <ash...@ashwinibhatia.com> wrote:

Thank you Mr Garg. I did check our site before filing but could not find any one species describing my sample, H. canescens is close though.

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

I also could not find a match in comparative images. What are the other species of Heracleum found in Himachal ?

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[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

I also could not find a match in comparative images. What are the other species of Heracleum found in Himachal ?

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Heracleum canescens Lindl.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Ashwini Bhatia]

Thank you Saroj ji.

With best regards,

Ashwini

[Mahadeswara]

Awsome photographs !

[J.M. Garg]

Not matching with images at efi site. 

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for id pl. 

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Ashwini ji,

May I know what are the species of Heracleum reported from Himachal.

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[J.M. Garg]

Also check with

http://envis.frlht.org/plantdetails/e4e337e30a2bc668927377171fcf1b93/6c24ad7955c1479d140401452de4910f (Heracleum wallichii DC.)

https://www.gbif.org/species/3629462 (Heracleum lallii C.Norman)

[Ashwini Bhatia]

Thank you Mr. Garg. In fact I was up in the mountains and photographed this plant again at about 3500m. Attaching here some photos.

H. Wallichii in the first link looks close to the plant here. The sample was collected by Dr. Goraya from HP even though the distribution map on the page gives Sikkim as the distribution area. POWO also gives East Himalaya as the distribution area for the species and considers it a synonym of Tetrataenium wallichii.

Perhaps we could write to Dr. Goraya for advice.

Near Lahaish Cave, Dharamshala, HP

3500m approx.

29 August, 2019

Regards,

Ashwini

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Ashwini ji,

Marking a copy to Gurinder ji.

[ushadi]

wonderfully detailed bright pictures

I appreciate them

though today I cant advance beyond heracleum sp

I"ll need to concentrate

may be later

Regards

Ushadi

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[Ashwini Bhatia]

Thank you Ushadi. 

Regards,

Ashwini

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Ashwini ji,

Why don't you also check https://www.gbif.org/species/3629462 (Heracleum lallii C.Norman), which also looks similar and have distribution in your area as per Catalogue of Life;

Heracleum wallichii DC. does not have distribution in your area as per Catalogue of Life;

If you can check the keys in books with you along with the list of species, it may sort out the issue.

[Ashwini Bhatia]

Thank you Mr. Garg. I will do so. I am trying to sort out the Pedicularis species here at the moment and will write soon with results.

Warm regards,

Ashwini

[J.M. Garg]

OK, Ashwini ji.

[J.M. Garg]

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[J.M. Garg]

It does not match with specimens of Heracleum lallii C.Norman in GBIF

I checked the keys in Flora of Bhutan (mentioning more than 40 genera of Apiaceae), found the correct id as Tordyliopsis brunonis DC.

Catalogue of life gives its distribution as NW-India (Kumaon, Lahul), Nepal, Bhutan, Sikkim, Chumbi, S-Tibet

I checked with high resolution specimens in GBIF and it is matching.

I also checked with description in Flora of Bhutan, with which it is also matching.

You can also see and check with description in Flora of China

[Ashwini Bhatia]

Thank you very much Mr. Garg for solving this. I think you are right. I will do more research and report back.

Regards,

Ashwini

On 28-Sep-2019, at 3:37 PM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Tordyliopsis brunonis

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Ashwini ji.

[ushadi]

SYNONYMs:

Copy pasting from http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/tro-50279490

Heracleum brunonis (DC.) C.B. Clarke is a synonym of Tordyliopsis brunonis DC.

This name is a synonym of Tordyliopsis brunonis DC..

The record derives from Tropicos (data supplied on 2012-04-18) which reports it as a synonym (record 50279490).

Earlier versions

This name was in version 1 of The Plant List, record tro-50279490, and has not been changed.

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Regards

Ushadi

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