Request for ID- 300610RA2

[Rashida Atthar]

Request ID of this plant please. Thank you.

 

Date/Time :	30 June 2010- 8.00am
Location- Place, altitude and GPS:	South end of national park in Mumbai.
Habitat- garden/ urban/wild/type:	Wild
Plant Habit-tree/shrub/climber/herb:	Looks like scandent shrub or a small tree
Height/length:	5 to 6 ft
Leaves-type/shape/size:	Oblong, acuminate. Glabrous above, prominent venation behind. A lot of latex.
Inflorescence type /size:	-----
Flowers-size/colour/calyx/bracts:	-----
Fruits type-shape/size/seeds:	------
Fragrance/odour/pollinator/uses  and so on:	------

regards,

Rashida. 

 

 

[Neil Soares]

Hi Rashida,  Are all the photographs of the same plant. The first and third definitely look like Ukshi [Calycopteris floribunda].                         Regards,                          Neil. --- On Wed, 6/30/10, Rashida Atthar <atthar....@gmail.com> wrote:

30 June 2010- 8.00am

regards,

Rashida. 

 

 

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[Divakar]

First one likely to be Calycopteris floribunda (Combretaceae)
-Divakar

On Jun 30, 11:08 pm, Neil Soares <drneilsoa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Rashida,
>  Are all the photographs of the same plant. The first and third definitely look like Ukshi [Calycopteris floribunda].
>                         Regards,
>                          Neil.
>

> --- On Wed, 6/30/10, Rashida Atthar <atthar.rash...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Usha Desai]

HI Neil and Divekarji
I was there...and all photos are of the same plant.What was amazing was it had a lot of milky latex.Does Ukshi have latex?.it is from combrataceae family..Usha Desai

[Rajdeo Singh]

Hi,     all the photos posted are not of the same plant. the 1st photo is of Calycopteris floribunda, while all the remaining photos looks like wrightia tomentosa (tambda Kuda) please do check the leaves are glabrous or tomentose Rajdeo Singh Mumbai

--- On Wed, 30/6/10, Rashida Atthar <atthar....@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Rashida Atthar <atthar....@gmail.com> Subject: [efloraofindia:39883] Request for ID- 300610RA2 To: indian...@googlegroups.com

[Rashida Atthar]

Thanks Neil, attaching some more pics of the plant. The first pic. has one branch with imparipinnate leaves,  the one seen on top right corner, the rest are paripinnate. The last pair of leaflets were smaller and therefore look as if they are from a different plant.

regards,
Rashida

[Neil Soares]

Hi Rashida,   Think your plant is Ukshi [Calycopteris floribunda]. Had had a dilemma with this similar looking plant on my farm until Dr.Almeida came and set the record straight. Sending you some photographs for comparison.                     Regards,                       Neil.

Wild

[Rashida Atthar]

Thanks Neil, both the sets matching, does your plant have latex? Am not convinced of the ID. Combretaceae does not have latex, could be some Wrightia? will check the plant again soon. 

regards,
Rashida.

[Nudrat]

Hello,

I feel, if the plant has latex then it surely is Wrightia arborea as
Combretaceae lacks latex.

On Jul 2, 9:12 pm, Rashida Atthar <atthar.rash...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Neil, both the sets matching, does your plant have latex? Am not
> convinced of the ID. Combretaceae does not have latex, could be some
> Wrightia? will check the plant again soon.
>
> regards,
> Rashida.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Neil Soares <drneilsoa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Hi Rashida,
> >   Think your plant is Ukshi [Calycopteris floribunda]. Had had a dilemma
> > with this similar looking plant on my farm until Dr.Almeida came and set the
> > record straight. Sending you some photographs for comparison.
> >                     Regards,
> >                       Neil.
>

> > --- On *Thu, 7/1/10, Rashida Atthar <atthar.rash...@gmail.com>* wrote:
>
> > From: Rashida Atthar <atthar.rash...@gmail.com>

> > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:39950] Request for ID- 300610RA2
> > To: "Rajdeo Singh" <rajdeo...@yahoo.co.in>
> > Cc: indian...@googlegroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 6:59 PM
>
> > Thanks Neil, attaching some more pics of the plant. The first pic. has one
> > branch with imparipinnate leaves,  the one seen on top right corner, the
> > rest are paripinnate. The last pair of leaflets were smaller and therefore
> > look as if they are from a different plant.
>
> > regards,
> > Rashida
>

> > On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Rajdeo Singh <rajdeo...@yahoo.co.in<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rajdeo...@yahoo.co.in>

> > > wrote:
>
> >>   Hi,
> >>     all the photos posted are not of the same plant. the 1st photo is of
> >> Calycopteris floribunda, while all the remaining photos looks like wrightia
> >> tomentosa (tambda Kuda)
> >> please do check the leaves are glabrous or tomentose
>
> >> Rajdeo Singh
> >> Mumbai
>

> >> --- On *Wed, 30/6/10, Rashida Atthar <atthar.rash...@gmail.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=atthar.rash...@gmail.com>
> >> >* wrote:

>
> >> From: Rashida Atthar <atthar.rash...@gmail.com<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=atthar.rash...@gmail.com>>
>
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[Rashida Atthar]

Checked the same plant again today, latex  very much present so most probably Wrightia sp.

regards,

Rashida.   

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[shubhada nikharge]

Dear Rashida and Nudrat,

The leaves of Wrightia arborea (Tambda Kuda) r opposite, elliptic with fine tips and velvety.

The leaves in the pic that u have attached r not velvety. (i have posted pics of W. arborea in the separate mail to compare the leaves) and the plant looks like a scandent shrub to me and not a tree.
The leaves are definitely diff. from those of Wrightia tinctoria. ( kala Kuda)
They look more similar to Calycopteris floribunda (Ukshi). But the plant in the pic has latex which is not present in C. floribunda. The branching pattern is also diff from that of C. floribunda.
So mystery is still unresolved.
I have attached the pics of the same plant again. 
Our mesterious plant is just next to the plant of C. floribunda. So leaves of both plants are mixed up. that is why Neil also got confused.

Anyway, Nudrat, thanx a lot for ur help in Rani bagh work. ( I presume that u r the same Nudrat who i met a year ago.)

Cheers,
Shubhada


"I am only one; but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but still I can do something; I will not refuse to do the something I can do."

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From: Rashida Atthar <atthar....@gmail.com>
To: Nudrat <nudra...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sat, 10 July, 2010 1:39:05 PM
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:40718] Re: Request for ID- 300610RA2

[Rashida Atthar]

Yes that is why I have only guessed it to be Wrightia sp. and have stated in my format it to be either a scandent shrub or a small tree. I would go more for a small tree because it is not taking support of nearby trees or shrubs, a scandent one like Ukshi or Carvanda generally takes support if trees are around! 

regards,

Rashida.  

On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 1:10 AM, shubhada nikharge <shubhada...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

Dear Rashida and Nudrat,

The leaves of Wrightia arborea (Tambda Kuda) r opposite, elliptic with fine tips and velvety.

The leaves in the pic that u have attached r not velvety. (i have posted pics of W. arborea in the separate mail to compare the leaves) and the plant looks like a scandent shrub to me and not a tree.
The leaves are definitely diff. from those of Wrightia tinctoria. ( kala Kuda)
They look more similar to Calycopteris floribunda (Ukshi). But the plant in the pic has latex which is not present in C. floribunda. The branching pattern is also diff from that of C. floribunda.
So mystery is still unresolved.
I have attached the pics of the same plant again. 
Our mesterious plant is just next to the plant of C. floribunda. So leaves of both plants are mixed up. that is why Neil also got confused.

Anyway, Nudrat, thanx a lot for ur help in Rani bagh work. ( I presume that u r the same Nudrat who i met a year ago.)

Cheers,
Shubhada


"I am only one; but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but still I can do something; I will not refuse to do the something I can do."

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From: Rashida Atthar <atthar....@gmail.com>

To: Nudrat <nudrat.cat@gmail.com>

[Nudrat Sayed]

Hi There,

There is no question of the plant being Wrightia tinctoria. As far as Wrightiia arborea is concerned, the young leaves are velvetty only. 

Theleaves do look like those belonging to a Combretaceae but as it was mentioned that the plant had abundant latex, so latex is present only in a few families rather genera. Hence i said i would go for Wrightia arborea. 

Yes i am the same Nudrat who you met at CAT a yr ago in regards the Rani Bagh issue. However i no longer work with CAT. At present i work with BEAG.

Take Care

Regards

Nudrat

On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 1:10 AM, shubhada nikharge <shubhada...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

Dear Rashida and Nudrat,

The leaves of Wrightia arborea (Tambda Kuda) r opposite, elliptic with fine tips and velvety.

The leaves in the pic that u have attached r not velvety. (i have posted pics of W. arborea in the separate mail to compare the leaves) and the plant looks like a scandent shrub to me and not a tree.
The leaves are definitely diff. from those of Wrightia tinctoria. ( kala Kuda)
They look more similar to Calycopteris floribunda (Ukshi). But the plant in the pic has latex which is not present in C. floribunda. The branching pattern is also diff from that of C. floribunda.
So mystery is still unresolved.
I have attached the pics of the same plant again. 
Our mesterious plant is just next to the plant of C. floribunda. So leaves of both plants are mixed up. that is why Neil also got confused.

Anyway, Nudrat, thanx a lot for ur help in Rani bagh work. ( I presume that u r the same Nudrat who i met a year ago.)

Cheers,
Shubhada


"I am only one; but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but still I can do something; I will not refuse to do the something I can do."

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From: Rashida Atthar <atthar....@gmail.com>

To: Nudrat <nudrat.cat@gmail.com>

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[Rashida Atthar]

Thanks to everyone for the feedback and ID. So as of now I take this to be Wrightia arborea. If there is any deference from the above, please inform.  

regards,

Rashida.

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From: C KUNHIKANNAN <kunhi...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:39883] Request for ID- 300610RA2
To: Rashida Atthar <atthar....@gmail.com>


What ever photos send by Rashida belong to two species. first photo is of Calycopteris floribubda and all othes photos posted(2,3,4,5) are  of different  plant Wrightia arborea. in last photo also we can the part of Calycopteris leaf along with the base of W.arborea tree.
Kunhikannan

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[Rashida Atthar]

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From: C KUNHIKANNAN <kunhi...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:39883] Request for ID- 300610RA2
To: Rashida Atthar <atthar....@gmail.com>


What ever photos send by Rashida belong to two species. first photo is of Calycopteris floribubda and all othes photos posted(2,3,4,5) are  of different  plant Wrightia arborea. in last photo also we can the part of Calycopteris leaf along with the base of W.arborea tree.
Kunhikannan

On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Rashida Atthar <atthar....@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Smilax004]

I agree with Kunjhikannan sir but I have a feeling that the Wrghitia
is W.tinctoria, because W.arborea is a synn. for W.tomentosa. Here
the pictures are of a glabrous plant, I guess. Am I correct
Rashidaji?


Regards,
Giby

On Jul 11, 4:09 pm, Rashida Atthar <atthar.rash...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks to everyone for the feedback and ID. So as of now I take this to be
> Wrightia arborea. If there is any deference from the above, please inform.
>
> regards,
> Rashida.
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: C KUNHIKANNAN <kunhikan...@gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 12:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:39883] Request for ID- 300610RA2
> To: Rashida Atthar <atthar.rash...@gmail.com>
>
> What ever photos send by Rashida belong to two species. first photo is of
> Calycopteris floribubda and all othes photos posted(2,3,4,5) are  of
> different  plant Wrightia arborea. in last photo also we can the part of
> Calycopteris leaf along with the base of W.arborea tree.
> Kunhikannan
>
> On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Rashida Atthar

> <atthar.rash...@gmail.com>wrote:

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[Dr. Pankaj Kumar]

I agree with you Gibs and Nudrat!!!
Thanks for the difference....
Pankaj

[Rashida Atthar]

Yes Giby ji, leaves are glabrous.

regards,

Rashida.