[efloraofindia:32424] Plant for ID | 16Apr2010AR01

[raghu ananth]

Plant for ID | 16Apr2010AR01

(record photo, photographed from 200 meters distance)

Narimale, Brahmagiri hills,

 07Dec2008, Elevation - 1405 meters, 

Height ~2 meters. Leaf length - 5 inches, 

Secondary venation - vertical,

Regards

Raghu

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[tanay bose]

Dear Raghu Ji,

I think these are the young red leaves of Cinnamomum tamala or commonly known as "tejpatta".. Kindly validate my Identification.

Regrads'

Tanay

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[Balkar Arya]

Yes Dear Tanay
You are right
pls also see the link

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2507/3779542727_54524ab15e_m.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.flickr.com/photos/raguib/page7/&usg=__d6EI-VxhD113RBRhjZImzG05wLE=&h=160&w=240&sz=16&hl=en&start=10&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=UXr1Zu7zmGLTjM:&tbnh=73&tbnw=110&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcinnamomum%2Btamala%2Byoung%2Bleaves%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3D0dU%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26tbs%3Disch:1


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[Kenneth Greby]

Looks like a young Cinnamomum species to me. I'll leave it to the experts here to provide the correct specific epithet.

Regards--
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From: raghu ananth <ragh...@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Fri, April 16, 2010 8:35:06 AM
Subject: [efloraofindia:32424] Plant for ID | 16Apr2010AR01

[tanay bose]

Dear Raghu Ji,

I am just using your format to indicate what I could observe in red letter (please don’t mind for using red color and bold text) I am excluding floral and fruit character because it’s absent in the plant…. I am quite sure it’s C tamala……

 

Taxonomy

Trees, medium sized, up to 10 m tall;  2 Meters, Ok  OK

branchlets slender. Ok OK

Terminal bud small, -Not clear in my photo ZOOM THE PHOTO YOU CAN SEE IT AT THE APEX OF THE BRANCHES!!

sericeous, (Soft hairs -yes)

2 bud scales.

Leaves

sub-opposite OK  OK

or spirally arranged, OK OK

chartaceous (paper like) ONLY FOUND IN MATURE LEAF I HOPE!!!

to sub-coriaceous,

glabrous in mature specimens, As of now no hairs observed (appears smooth) SIZE OF THE LEAVES INDICATE THEY ARE QUITE MATURE NOW !!

ovate, oblong to lanceolate, OK OK

 2.5-8 x 7.5-25 cm, OK OK

apex long acuminate OK OK

base acute; OK OK

above smooth, OK

the main nerves prominulous,  PROMINULOUS MEANS SLIGHTLY RAISED ABOVE THE TISSUE- OK

 below obscurely,

 densely minutely reticulate, CAN’T BE SEEN

 midrib slender, Ok OK

prominent, OK

basal nerves prominent, OK

4/5 or more of the lamina length, OK

connected by faint, parallel secondary veins, OK

3-5 mm apart. OK

Petiole slender, up to 1.5 cm long. OK OK

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[Smilax004]

Dear all,

Please do not depend unauthorized internet sites for plant
identification. Have a look at the following link for a blunder.
I strongly feel that we may not be able to id the species of
Cinnamomum from a picture that too when the flowers or fruits are not
available (exception is C riparium). Identification from just leaves
are always confusing for Cinnamomum. Considering the altitude of
Brahmagiri where the photo is taken there are possibilities of other
species too.

Dear Tanay,

Is C. tamala a recognized specific epithet or a synonym? I couldnt
find the same in the literature. Would you please provide the
literature/flora where it is given for reference.

http://www.google.co.in/imgres?imgurl=http://www.indianetzone.com/photos_gallery/1/277_Cinnamomum-tamala.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.indianetzone.com/1/tejpat.htm&usg=__uq3ubv8ljYwJQeF4g8G4BKSBNL4=&h=158&w=230&sz=21&hl=en&start=15&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=Lmy9-V7Sz0QDAM:&tbnh=74&tbnw=108&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcinnamomum%2Btamala%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26tbs%3Disch:1



Regards
Giby
ATREE, Bangalore

On Apr 17, 9:38 am, tanay bose <tanaybos...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Raghu Ji,
> I am just using your format to indicate what I could observe in red letter
> (please don’t mind for using red color and bold text) I am excluding floral
> and fruit character because it’s absent in the plant…. I am quite sure it’s

> *C tamala*……
>
> *Taxonomy*

>
> Trees, medium sized, up to 10 m tall;  2 Meters, Ok  OK
>
> branchlets slender. Ok OK
>
> Terminal bud small, -Not clear in my photo ZOOM THE PHOTO YOU CAN SEE IT AT
> THE APEX OF THE BRANCHES!!
>
> sericeous, (Soft hairs -yes)
>
> 2 bud scales.
>

> *Leaves *

> >  ------------------------------
> > *From:* raghu ananth <raghu_...@yahoo.com>
> > *To:* indian...@googlegroups.com
> > *Sent:* Fri, April 16, 2010 8:35:06 AM
> > *Subject:* [efloraofindia:32424] Plant for ID | 16Apr2010AR01

>
> >  Plant for ID | 16Apr2010AR01
> > (record photo, photographed from 200 meters distance)
>
> > Narimale, Brahmagiri hills,
> >  07Dec2008, Elevation - 1405 meters,
> > Height ~2 meters. Leaf length - 5 inches,
> > Secondary venation - vertical,
>
> > Regards
>
> > Raghu
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[tanay bose]

Dear Giby Ji (Similax004),

Cinnamomum tamala is undoubtedly a valid name as far as I know and not a synonym. You can check out from the following efloras

1. E-FLORA OF CHINA- http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200008729
2. E-FLORA OF PAKISTAN- http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200008729

Regards

Tanay

[Giby Kuriakose]

Dear Tanay Bose,

Thank you for your reply and the references. Now I am getting clear on one thing that, C.tamala may not be a Western Ghat species.  (please ref the following lines taken from flora of Pakistan link provided by tanay bose, "Type: From Derwani and Gongachora, cultivated in a garden at Rang-poor, Hamilton (BM). Distribution: Tropical and subtropical Himalayas from the Indus to Bhutan, ascending to 2000 m in Sikkim." 

In the literature, flora and other checklists available from the Brahmagiri part of the Western Ghats, I couldn't find the said species. However, I found that Nayar et al, 2006  in their wonderful work of Flowering plants of Kerala published by TBGRI has been excluded this species because of different reasons including "erroneously included or misidentified as evidenced from literature". The only citation of C.tamala in South indian flora, as far as I know, is "Flowering plants of Travencore" by Rama Rao, M. 1914, which is excluded now.  

Now, I want to make it clear that I thought it would be a synonym  for C. malabathrum because someone has put C.tamala as "malabathrum" plant in wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malabathrum) again, the picture provided here is incorrect. This is why I asked whether it is a synonym or not.

Regards,

Giby

ATREE, Bangalore

GIBY KURIAKOSE
Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment (ATREE),
Royal Enclave,
Jakkur Post, Srirampura
Bangalore- 560064
India
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[R. Vijayasankar]

You are right Giby. Cinnamomum tamala (popularly known as 'Tejpata' in northern India) is a Himalayan species and doesn't occur in W.Ghats (Brahmagiri hills). It will be difficult to identify up to species level with the available image. We can only say it is not C. zeylanicum (= C. verum, not a wild sp.) and nor C. malabathrum (lvs will be larger).

 

By looking at the elevation (may be shola type of forest) and the associations (Acacia, some fern and Eupatorium glandulosum) i guess it is a shola element so probably it is either C. wightii or C. camphora. However it needs confirmation.

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[JM Garg]

Can it be Cinnamomum sulphuratum Nees as per images herein?

Earlier feedback from Vijayasankar ji:

You are right Giby. Cinnamomum tamala (popularly known as 'Tejpata' in northern India) is a Himalayan species and doesn't occur in W.Ghats (Brahmagiri hills). It will be difficult to identify up to species level with the available image. We can only say it is not C. zeylanicum (= C. verum, not a wild sp.) and nor C. malabathrum (lvs will be larger).  

By looking at the elevation (may be shola type of forest) and the associations (Acacia, some fern and Eupatorium glandulosum) i guess it is a shola element so probably it is either C. wightii or C. camphora. However it needs confirmation.

On Friday, 16 April 2010 21:05:06 UTC+5:30, raghu ananth wrote:

Plant for ID | 16Apr2010AR01

(record photo, photographed from 200 meters distance)

Narimale, Brahmagiri hills,

 07Dec2008, Elevation - 1405 meters, 

Height ~2 meters. Leaf length - 5 inches, 

Secondary venation - vertical,

Regards

Raghu

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as  Cinnamomum sulphuratum ?

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as  Cinnamomum sulphuratum ?

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