Flora of Uttarakhand- Herb11 for Id- JM

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J.M. Garg

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Nov 14, 2010, 10:41:59 AM11/14/10
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Wild Herb captured on 13/8/10 during the trek from Ghangaria (around 11,000 ft.) to Hemkunt Sahib (around 14000 ft.).

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Gurcharan Singh

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Nov 14, 2010, 10:58:02 AM11/14/10
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Rumex acetosella, but not very sure.


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Pankaj Kumar

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Nov 14, 2010, 2:14:51 PM11/14/10
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Rumex sp.
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Gurcharan Singh

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Dec 2, 2010, 11:22:15 PM12/2/10
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Resurfacing again for ID confirmation

Earlier feedback

Me................................Rumex acetosella, but not very sure

Pankaj ji.......................Rumex sp.


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Ritesh Kumar Choudhary

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Dec 3, 2010, 1:04:26 AM12/3/10
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Dear all,

Rumex acetosella is characterized by having hastate leaves so that possibility is ruled out here.

To me it looks like Rumex nepalensis only. Here the plant is in flowering stage so the most important character of the plant i.e. presence of fringed fruiting perianth is not visible here.
 
Perusal of various herbarium sheets at Chinese Virtual herbarium at the following link could be of use.

http://photo.cvh.org.cn/pic/kun/36/366765.jpg

Further comments are solicited.

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Gurcharan Singh

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Dec 3, 2010, 6:13:23 PM12/3/10
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Agreed it is not Rumex acetosella but some how I am not comfortable with R. nepalensis. The first photographs does show some flowers in which the inner perianth is enlarged, but there is no trace of any teeth. I would suggest R. patientia a highly variable species with entire valves.


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J.M. Garg

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Dec 5, 2010, 5:50:53 AM12/5/10
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Thanks, Singh ji, Pankaj ji & Ritesh ji.

A link for Rumex patientia (though not mentioned in Concise Flowers of Himalayas by Oleg Polunin & Adam Stainton):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rumex_X_patientia_Sturm55.jpg

I am unable two decide between R. patientia or R. nepalensis.
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Gurcharan Singh

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Dec 5, 2010, 3:36:30 PM12/5/10
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Yes it is difficult without fruiting specimens.


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Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:      

 

 Rumex acetosella is characterized by having hastate leaves so that possibility is ruled out here.

To me it looks like Rumex nepalensis only. Here the plant is in flowering stage so the most important character of the plant i.e. presence of fringed fruiting perianth is not visible here. 
Perusal of various herbarium sheets at Chinese Virtual herbarium at the following link could be of use.

http://photo.cvh.org.cn/pic/kun/36/366765.jpg

Further comments are solicited.

Regards,
Ritesh.

 Agreed it is not Rumex acetosella but some how I am not comfortable with R. nepalensis. The first photographs does show some flowers in which the inner perianth is enlarged, but there is no trace of any teeth. I would suggest R. patientia a highly variable species with entire valves.- from Singh ji.

Thanks, Singh ji, Pankaj ji & Ritesh ji.

A link for Rumex patientia (though not mentioned in Concise Flowers of Himalayas by Oleg Polunin & Adam Stainton):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rumex_X_patientia_Sturm55.jpg

I am unable two decide between R. patientia or R. nepalensis.

 Yes it is difficult without fruiting specimens.
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